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Water bottle bosses , pockets and clever venting
Marcus Farley Thursday, Jun 5, 2008 10.42am
Water bottle bosses , pockets and clever venting
Mountain bikes have been popular for well over twenty years now, yet the manufacturers, and some journalists, still try and peddle their roadie ideas and ways onto us. Isn’t it about time we broke free? As what works well on road bikes and on roadie paraphernalia is about as much use as a chocolate fire guard out on a mountain bike…
I guess the roadie designs filter into our world because the manufacturers think that mountain bikers are still mostly cross country racers, and that the rest of us still aspire to be cross country racers, too…err, no, not really, not for at least ten years or more now.
So what exactly do I mean?
Well firstly, water bottle bosses on mountain bikes, placed not just once, but sometimes twice. Even on big freeride bikes! Hello, the hydration pack has been with us for how long now? Why are water bottle bosses still needed? Are they one of those quirks of life that will never be gotten rid of for fear of the bike not looking quite right aesthetically? To use a biological analogy, perhaps it’s like nipples? Perfectly functional (amongst other things) on women, but why do men have them, too? Maybe because our genetic designer decided that men would look more stupid without them, so left them in place, even though they have no ‘functional’ use?
As I’ve hinted at above, it’s a very long time since I’ve seen someone out on the trail without a hydration pack on their back. So why do most manufacturers still make jerseys with a pocket in the back. Sorry, correction, generally there are three ‘easy to reach’ stash pockets! With one sometimes rather handily advertised as being zipped, so you can store a mobile phone, or keys in it. You know, that hard rectangular object and those looped together spiky objects that would leave an imprint or three in your spine if you landed on your back! Even If I decided to fill these pockets, they wouldn’t be easy to reach now would they, because they’d be obscured by the feckin’ hydration pack I’ve been wearing for ten years, wouldn’t they?
Maybe the people who make jerseys should be made to make hydration packs too, then they’d realise that there really was no need for pockets in a jersey, as there are already more than enough cunning spaces in a hydration pack to weave pockets into to their hearts content for things like mobile phones and keys, maybe even there’s room for a clever pocket to store an cross country racer jersey…
Some shorts also seem to have a stupid amount of pockets, as do some coats…LISTEN, manufacturer guys, I only want one fuc*king pocket anywhere but in my hydration pack, and that’s in the front of my shorts, so I can easily reach an energy bar, or put my mobile phone there if I really have to e.g. only when I’m riding solo, in case I break my back and can’t take the hydration pack off to get to my phone. Interestingly enough, however, this scenario would be better solved if a hydration pack had a neat little mobile phone stash pocket built into one of the front straps, that really would be ‘easy to reach.’
Oh, before anyone else says it, there are some great shorts that we’ve inherited from the roadies, but we are far too cool to wear them on the trail. They’re called lycra! There are also ‘freeride’ jerseys with no pockets. Maybe I could start a new trend? Anyone for the roadie freeride look? Yeah, didn’t think so!
How many coats have clever pit zips, or worse still, clever venting at the shoulders to let your hot air out…Really great idea, until you put your hydration pack on, that is!
But you know what, maybe it’s just me. Maybe there is a better solution waiting to be invented. Perhaps it’s a bottle boss mounted bag (cunningly affixed to the down and seat tube bottle boss mounts), complete with built in hydration pack. If these were invented, those existing clever venting flaps will actually keep you cool and you’ll also be able to easily access your ‘easy to reach’ jersey pockets…just one word of advice though, make sure you land on your front when you fall off!
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s.ammo
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 11:18 am UTC Flag as inappropriate
ahhahaha - amen Marcus.
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Algore
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 12:26 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
Are you really so sure you don't need those pockets.
15yrs of using hydration packs and I still carry items in pockets around the body. Mobile in chest pocket, energy gel or mars bar in rear pocket. Shandy money in the back pocket of shorts etc. Like most people I carry most tools in my pack, but certain items you want to get at quickly or not loose in the pack.
There's some features which you rarely use but then one day they suddenly make sense. In my woods there's no cars (obviously) so I don't need any reflective bits, surely that's just for road. But two nights ago when it got darker earlier than expected they saved my bacon. Or when you get a cheeky 30mins to nip out for a blast do you really want to take your pack just to carry your pump and tube.
But you're right, changes are happening to MTB specific clothing. The big brands are looking at the specifics needs of riders, putting in side access rear pockets, ventilation which works when you have a pack on etc.
Check out the Alp X range from Gore Bike Wear. It's been designed just for Mountainbiking specifically people using hydration packs. There are even the Alp X Pro shorts which feature all the benefits of the roadies lycras but the look of your baggies and with no flappy crotch to catch on the saddle.
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Barney 2
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 1:53 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
Hi Marcus, as a roadie and only sometime MB I agree with you totaly, I don't understand why road shirts are advertised with "rear pocket for pump" who realy wants to fall on a pump! And why is it not fashionable to wear lycra road shorts when on the trail, they work well as you said nothing to snag, they dry quickly, are comfortable and have no pockets!
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inigomontoya
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 2:34 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
Hmmm sweaty back, no thanks, I'll stick to my bottle cage and saddle pack for all my needs with handy to reach pockets for my phone and flap jack. what decade are you in if your mobile phone is large enough to be a problem if you fell on it!
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igamogam
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 2:36 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
Hydration packs are a pain. They are inefficient, sweaty and unbalancing. How many folk buy them because it's trendy and never put anything much in them [I know about 40!]
Carrying stuff on the bike is much more logical - it lowers your centre of gravity and saves you having to lift the extra weight when you pedal out of the saddle.
OK the mouthpiece on your bottles get dirty but then again I always get crud on the hydration bladder mouthpiece too.
Why NOT have bottle cage bosses and back pockets? They both weigh next to nothing are pretty flat and you don't actually have to put anything in them.
Why use a rucksack when all you need to carry is a bunch of keys and a mobile [my tools always stay attached to the bike in a sawn off watter bottle so I don't forget/lose them. Hmm...]. Why deprive me of things I [and many others] regard as logical and useful forcing folk to use gear they don't like...
Different but not neccesaraly wrong...
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marcus Farley
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 3:11 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
the same decade where mountain bikes have water bottle bosses, perhaps, LOL!
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marcus Farley
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 3:19 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
i'm paid to write opinion pieces, i'm not the trail police! do as you please...
it is a personal opinion piece based on empirical research - i know only 2 mtbers who ride without a hydration pack...both are racers...the majority of us ride with them...
i carry a load of useful stuff in mine that can't hang off my full sus bike...
food, water, tools, pump, coat, spare top, first aid kit, spare inner tubes, phone, keys...it all depends where you ride...i ride in the middle of nowhere on moorland and up and down technical terrain in a place where the weather changes in a flash...the answer may be a wingnut hydration pack/rucksac...but strangely, i rather like having my dakine nomad on my back as it feels like extra protection if i fall off...
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RichMTB
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 9:35 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
Well said Marcus,
Shorts and jackets are getting better though plenty of MTB specific stuff from Fox, Endura and Race Face.
Interesting point you make about the bottle mounts, I personally don't see the point but magazine reviewers the world over seem to insist on mentioning them!
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stevetoze
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 10:06 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
yeah and what about people that ride road bikes, xc bikes and all mountain bikes and wonder why they have to care about using heaps of different kit when they could just use one. roadies don't force their style on mountain bikers, more often then not they are one and the same people....
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marcus Farley
Posted Thu 5 Jun, 10:49 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
keep 'em coming...an interesting debate is emerging...
cheers.
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tribegrandaddy
Posted Fri 6 Jun, 10:30 am UTC Flag as inappropriate
coming from the road I am still using a lot of my road kit and it works well however I was using botles but after one ride in filthy conditions last year and I ended up swallowing about a kilo of mud everytime I had a drink then spent most of the night on the toilet with it coming out of both ends
I bought a backpack and I love it sweaty back or not I still like my two or three back pockets on my jersey as I have my phone in one and food in another as I still eat and use my phone on the go some roadie habits just wo,nt go away
it would be better to carry everything on the bike rather than the person but what goes in a backpack energy drink needs to be in a bladder best placed on your back to avoid above a multi tool gas canisters and a couple of tubes waterproof all in all not a lot and I love my baggie shorts but would not use a pair on a road bike
a recent investigation by a bunch of medical students on a world class mtb x/c course found all sorts of nastys in the mud some of which could make a person really really ill
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igamogam
Posted Fri 6 Jun, 10:44 am UTC Flag as inappropriate
To follow on... Firstly, what you mean by "the same decade where mountain bikes have water bottle bosses, perhaps, LOL!"? Sorry if I'm a bit thick but I can't see what the line relates to [that's a genuine question].
I live in the Alps 950 M up a 1400 M hill, the next village is 4 Km/400 M lower in the valley and its another 15 Km to the top of the hill [great trails! ;~)]. Why do I need to use a backpack? It's just overkill- on local climbs backpacks cripple me, I sweat even more and my arse and back hurts because of extra pressure on the spine & bum. Normally jacket, phone and grub go in back pockets and water/tools go in the bottle cages [yes it's a pain getting the bottle out most of the time]. When I lived in the UK [born & bred in North Wales MTBing since 85] I definitely didn't need a rucksack as nowhere was that remote.
If I do a big ride and need to carry more I use a camelback but I definitely fall more [just like when boarding/skiing with one] and have to stop more often to dig stuff out of the bag. I can't remember landing on my back [OK OK it will happen...] but backpack straps have caught on a branches a few times.
I agree with tribegrandaddy in the main but I've also been crook from a dirty bladder [you can't chuck them in the dishwasher], considering what lives normally in your mouth/gut a few extra bacteria probably makes you stronger in the long run... ;~)
As you say, it's an interesting debate but I really can't see the point in taking away options.
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marcus Farley
Posted Fri 6 Jun, 1:12 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
iu hav elittle interest in a 'my mountain's bigger than yours' debate, purlease...
perhaps bikes could come either with or without, similar to front suspension? i.e. with or without rim brake bosses...
i'll spell it out again, though - this is an o p i n i o n piece...not the trail mafia!
but with my size 12's - the majority of mtbers who aren't xc racers or downhill racers probably ride with a hydration pack on!
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marcus Farley
Posted Fri 6 Jun, 1:15 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
it was sarcasm: i.e. (sarcasm) - i have a phone from the same decade as someone originally thought that mtbs needed water bottle bosses!
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RedJohn
Posted Sun 8 Jun, 10:47 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
I use a bottle. I hate having stuff on my back. Faced with a choice of new bikes, one with and one one without bottle cage bosses, I'd choose one with. Manufacturers know this so they equip bikes with bosses. If you don't want to use them, don't!!
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marcus Farley
Posted Mon 9 Jun, 8:03 am UTC Flag as inappropriate
in the name of research i went cycling last night with nowt but a water bottle in my back pocket...i have to admit that it was strangely liberating...it has me to thinking about a wingnut pack or a saddle bag..the only worry is where to stick my pump!? sensible answers only please!
cheers, Marcus
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bishbish
Posted Mon 9 Jun, 11:38 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
fashion victim fat clownhiller none of this applies to me so i lke to use a bottle for short mtb rides as it is easier to clean i look good in lycra no muffin tops to hide. my camel back has no pockets but i can carry and access evry thing from the handy pockets
having no strong opinion either way i think this artical would be better in the mag so i could wipe my ar$e on it,just my opinion tho!!!
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marcus Farley
Posted Tue 10 Jun, 1:54 pm UTC Flag as inappropriate
good point RedJohn...like i said, a Wingnut pack maybe my personal solution...
cheers.
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