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SpaceJunk
Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 651
Location: Australia
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 Posted Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:46 pm |
I'm not surprised that he is leaving SL.
Evans has been doing a whole lot of media work in the past week (for an impending book release), and he's talked at length of the troubles he's had with SL management this year, particularly with Marc Sargeant and Roberto Damiani.
Evans' 2 big objectives for the year was TdF and the WC. He therefore wanted to do the TdF and Vuelta GT. (He did this in 07 and came 2nd / 4th in GT and 5th in WC).
He decided on this, and then during his mid-break he learnt his team wanted him at Giro (as we all know).
But after Evans' won the WC, he read an interview where Sargeant said that he had to convince Evans to ride the Vuelta as prep for the WC. Let's just say Evans wasn't too pleased when he read that.
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SpaceJunk
Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 651
Location: Australia
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Posted Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:58 pm |
| wicked wrote: | | SpaceJunk wrote: | | wicked wrote: | Its all very well saying all these teams would be interested but really whats he going to win?
I know he won WC but that's his card played now, he's not going to be allowed to to do it again. He's NEVER going to win a GT (not as long as he has a hole in his ars*/chin) so what would be the point of Sky signing him? To finish top ten? Better to go for stage wins.
Plus how is signing yet another aussie who has missed his only chance of winning TdF going to help the young brit pro's on sky? |
He's played his card now (WC)?? Allowed to do it again??
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Cadel won the WC because he ended up being one of the strongest riders in the race; I didn't realise that he was allowed the win.
Bear in mind, he lost 1:33 to a puncture in the Veulta and lost by 1:32.
And a quick one for you Wicked: What does the design of his chin have to do with anything? Wicked, would you mind putting a picture up of you on this forum so we can find fault with you? |
Yes he lost time in the puncture but you can't simply say well add that back on and he would have won! If he had not lost the time the other GC contenders would have looked upon him differently. Its a little more complicated than that. If, alas we will never know.
Yes cadel won the WC and fair play to him. I do not remember saying he was allowed the win? I merely said he would be watched more carefully in future.
As for my picture well I am flattered but will have to decline. Maybe in a PM lover? Sadly one eyed australians do nothing for me, have you tried telling cadel how you feel? Don't touch his dog though! |
Thanks for that Wicked.
For the record; I'm not a Cadel 'fan'. and I think he'll never win the TdF (he has missed his chance). He could however, win a Giro / Vuelta. I also think that if he targeted the Ardennes' classics he could bag a win there too.
Why wouldn't Sky want a rider like that? Sure the TdF is a big race, but's its not the only race.
But the fact you think he is NEVER going to win a GT (not as long as he has a hole in his ars*/chin) provides more insight into the type of person you are as opposed to the deficiencies in Evans' make up as a professional cyclist.
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Kléber
Joined: 30 Jul 2007
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Posted Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:59 pm |
Odd news, but the timing suits him for it is better to find a new team now than in the middle of July. Sky seems the most obvious but who knows, a lot depends on what Contador does.
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wicked
Joined: 09 Jul 2008
Posts: 148
Location: Shropshire
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:11 am |
| SpaceJunk wrote: | | wicked wrote: | | SpaceJunk wrote: | | wicked wrote: | Its all very well saying all these teams would be interested but really whats he going to win?
I know he won WC but that's his card played now, he's not going to be allowed to to do it again. He's NEVER going to win a GT (not as long as he has a hole in his ars*/chin) so what would be the point of Sky signing him? To finish top ten? Better to go for stage wins.
Plus how is signing yet another aussie who has missed his only chance of winning TdF going to help the young brit pro's on sky? |
He's played his card now (WC)?? Allowed to do it again??
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Cadel won the WC because he ended up being one of the strongest riders in the race; I didn't realise that he was allowed the win.
Bear in mind, he lost 1:33 to a puncture in the Veulta and lost by 1:32.
And a quick one for you Wicked: What does the design of his chin have to do with anything? Wicked, would you mind putting a picture up of you on this forum so we can find fault with you? |
Yes he lost time in the puncture but you can't simply say well add that back on and he would have won! If he had not lost the time the other GC contenders would have looked upon him differently. Its a little more complicated than that. If, alas we will never know.
Yes cadel won the WC and fair play to him. I do not remember saying he was allowed the win? I merely said he would be watched more carefully in future.
As for my picture well I am flattered but will have to decline. Maybe in a PM lover? Sadly one eyed australians do nothing for me, have you tried telling cadel how you feel? Don't touch his dog though! |
Thanks for that Wicked.
For the record; I'm not a Cadel 'fan'. and I think he'll never win the TdF (he has missed his chance). He could however, win a Giro / Vuelta. I also think that if he targeted the Ardennes' classics he could bag a win there too.
Why wouldn't Sky want a rider like that? Sure the TdF is a big race, but's its not the only race.
But the fact you think he is NEVER going to win a GT (not as long as he has a hole in his ars*/chin) provides more insight into the type of person you are as opposed to the deficiencies in Evans' make up as a professional cyclist. |
Well at least we agree about something.
Skys aim is to produce british winners I fail to see how a rider who has consistently failed to produce the goods is going to help really. Aussies are winners which I admire them for but WC aside cadel has made a career of nearly winning. We as brits are already pretty good at that 
You can probably pick up on the fact that I do not like cadel and that is very true I think he is odious IMO but as a rider he is lacking the x factor that is why I as a hopeless cycling romantic love the sport, not taking anything away from the effort on his part. Thats just the way it is, boring for want of a better word.
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iainf72
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:11 am |
| wicked wrote: | | The new generation are fast coming, the names you mentioned schleck esp will put evans in his place and even bradley will be there. |
I'd be prepared to put money on Evans being a better bet in GT's than Bradley in the next couple of years.
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wicked
Joined: 09 Jul 2008
Posts: 148
Location: Shropshire
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:18 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | | wicked wrote: | | The new generation are fast coming, the names you mentioned schleck esp will put evans in his place and even bradley will be there. |
I'd be prepared to put money on Evans being a better bet in GT's than Bradley in the next couple of years. |
Its an interesting question isn't it? I personally will settle for the fact that we can be here debating that fact about a british rider.
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iainf72
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:23 am |
| wicked wrote: |
Its an interesting question isn't it? I personally will settle for the fact that we can be here debating that fact about a british rider. |
Look at Evans GT performance since 2005. Constantly up there, this years Tour being the exception. But people talk of lack of mental strength yet he had that poor performance yet bounced back to a good Vuelta and the Worlds.
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SpaceJunk
Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 651
Location: Australia
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:26 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | | wicked wrote: | | The new generation are fast coming, the names you mentioned schleck esp will put evans in his place and even bradley will be there. |
I'd be prepared to put money on Evans being a better bet in GT's than Bradley in the next couple of years. |
I'm not a betting man, but if I was; my money would be on Evans.
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Pokerface
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Posts: 1310
Location: UK
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:36 am |
How much time did Evans lose in the Tour because of the TTT? Wasn't his race effectively over at that point? He had another really bad day after that too if I recall.
And after his puncture in the Vuelta, how much time did he manage to get back on Valverde (not including TT)? If I recall - none. So to say he would have been treated differently if he hadn't lost time due to the puncture is surely irrelevant?
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Jez mon
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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Location: Berkshire/Lufbra
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:54 am |
I think given the right team mates, and the right management, Cadel could definitely win a GT. What happens if next year Contador/Schleck has a puncture/crash/a bad year. Cadel might not be a top tier GT rider, but he's definitely in with a shout when in form. I hope he goes to Sky they need a GT contendor
Personally, I like him as a rider more and more, he can just grind away and hurt. Plus when he wore the yellow jersey you could see how much it meant, he's a guy that loves the sport and I like that.
You live and learn. At any rate, you live |
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Keith Oates
Joined: 05 Nov 2002
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Location: Vietnam
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:47 am |
I would rather that Sky got Evans for nothing, in transfer fees, than they pay the rumoured $2 million for Wiggens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dave_1
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:49 am |
still bugs me that cancellera and co stopped Evans early attacks at TDF 09... am so glad he won the worlds and left that freak behind
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Top_Bhoy
Joined: 12 Jun 2004
Posts: 1254
Location: Australia
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:53 am |
On career form to date, I'd take Evans over Wiggins with a view to winning a GT, TT stages, One day race, etc. Evans will be up there as a contendor for another 2 years anyway....Wiggins needs to show that 4th in TdF 2009 was no one-off.
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iainf72
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:18 am |
Dutch paper is reporting Evans is going to BMC
Now, that would surprise me and y'all know I like the BMC.
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iainf72
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:20 am |
| Keith Oates wrote: | | I would rather that Sky got Evans for nothing, in transfer fees, than they pay the rumoured $2 million for Wiggens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I don't want to shock you but they've not paid anytihng for Wiggins.
This is also not football - There isn't a transfer fee. There was talk of buying Wiggins out of his contract but Evans case is different. He's just terminated his contract and is moving.
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The Prodigy
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Location: Tipton
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 9:07 am |
I can't see Evans winning a GT no matter where he is. There always seems to be an excuse, someone to blame. To think they call us whining poms!
I'm not a fan of his and wouldn't want to see him on a `British` team.
But good luck to him wherever he ends up.
"it's too simple just to blame it all on me". |
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The Prodigy
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 9:10 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | | I think Sky are toilet |
I would be interested to know exactly what you expected from sky to have this opinion of them?
Because to me signing Cadel would make them toilet
"it's too simple just to blame it all on me". |
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Blazing Saddles
Joined: 03 May 2008
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 9:18 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | Dutch paper is reporting Evans is going to BMC
Now, that would surprise me and y'all know I like the BMC. |
Someone is trying to hammer this theory home, on another forum.
To me, it lacks the two key ingredients (besides cash) that Cadel craves.
No guarranteed TDF start.
Sure, his presence would give them a really strong claim, but not certain entry.
Also, having moaned for years about Lotto's lack of team support, is he really going to downsize, in this department?
After all, he's still talking the TDF talk.........
One thing yesterdays announcement made clear. There's a lot of mileage left, in this year's transfer market.
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SpaceJunk
Joined: 08 May 2007
Posts: 651
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 9:21 am |
| The Prodigy wrote: | | iainf72 wrote: | | I think Sky are toilet |
I would be interested to know exactly what you expected from sky to have this opinion of them?
Because to me signing Cadel would make them toilet |
Without putting words in Iain's mouth: I'm guessing he thinks Sky's roster currently doesn't lead them to much success.
Sure EDV will get some wins, Gerrans will pop up and get a couple, Flecha will be on the hunt.
Granted Evans isn't in the top tier of GT contenders (AC, Andy Schleck etc), but he is on the next level down.
As mentioned earlier; I would think Evans would be more dependable in GT than Wiggins, despite Bradley's 4th placing this year.
Sky may be a 'British' team; but people are delusional to think that the squad will be 100% made up of 'local' riders and be successful.
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calvjones
Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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Posted Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:46 am |
It just staggers me that Evans can be considered not a top tier GT rider when if it wasn't for the shocking (lack of) outcome to Puerto and solely fighting off a tripartite attack from the best team in the world (plus a pretty bad crash) he might be sitting on 3 GT wins.
One eyed Australian? There's nothing more one-eyed than a romantic cycling fan.
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