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alfablue
Joined: 05 Jun 2005
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Location: Bath, UK
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 Posted Tue Nov 3, 2009 7:37 pm |
| mfin wrote: | | I for one am not defending what the OP said in the slightest... I think it's completely wrong, just can't see how the abrasive attacks on him can be the best way to educate him (or whatever is trying to be achieved?) that's all. When's the last time anyone here was called 'ignorant' for example and then thought to think more deeply about the topic concerned rather than just feeling like they're on the end of some aggression? just all seems so negative to me. |
An analogy - mum tells you nicely, the oven is hot, don't touch it! You still touch it. Oven burns your fingers, you don't touch it again! I don't think we should be hugging the OP to our motherly bosums and saying "its all right sweetheart, mummy knows you didn't mean it". Pussy footing doesn't work, especially with those lacking basic social sensitivities.
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dmclite
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shouldbeinbed
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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mfin
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Posts: 543
Location: on t'internet
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dmclite
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softlad
Joined: 24 Jul 2008
Posts: 1527
Location: Ceredigion
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:00 am |
| Flanker37 wrote: |
Bugger me, the other guy never once asked me if i was all right ( an indian btw)
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you're lucky he didn't scalp you.....
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dandrew
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Posts: 15
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:23 am |
Racism is unacceptable.
The only form of intolerance that seems to be accepted on this forum is directed towards people who work at Halfords or ride the bikes they sell.
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pedylan
Joined: 15 Aug 2007
Posts: 541
Location: Yorkshire
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Simonb256
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 701
Location: Aisle 12
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:10 pm |
I just read the whole topic and I'm honestly ashamed to be associated with you guys. Really..
Someone had an accident, 9/10 both parties are at fault in an accident (honest).The 'doctor' could of moved tot he left, the OP could of handled the bike better/be going slower.
This whole, "OMG burn the racist" sh*te is laughable. It's a feature of the guy he hit. No doubt you'd get the same reaction if he had posted "...btw he only had one arm" or "...btw he was wearing a trilby". Since when is making an observation being racist?
Also all this sh*te in this topic just goes to show it really is a case of ' you can have your own opinion as long as it fits with mine'.
Everyone grow up and stop trying to be an internet hero.
This is why I seldom post here anymore, whenever someone posts an eventful commute they get ripped to shreds by someone who wasnt there, doesnt know what happened and just guesses. When the OP tries to defend himself he gets accused of changing his story, when hes just correcting your assumptions.
sh*t happens, people have opinions, people make observations. Deal with it really.
"War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength." George Orwell - 1984 |
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bazbadger
Joined: 07 Sep 2008
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Location: Oxfordshire
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:37 pm |
| Simonb256 wrote: | I just read the whole topic and I'm honestly ashamed to be associated with you guys. Really..
Someone had an accident, 9/10 both parties are at fault in an accident (honest).The 'doctor' could of moved tot he left, the OP could of handled the bike better/be going slower.
This whole, "OMG burn the racist" sh*te is laughable. It's a feature of the guy he hit. No doubt you'd get the same reaction if he had posted "...btw he only had one arm" or "...btw he was wearing a trilby". Since when is making an observation being racist?
Also all this sh*te in this topic just goes to show it really is a case of ' you can have your own opinion as long as it fits with mine'.
Everyone grow up and stop trying to be an internet hero.
This is why I seldom post here anymore, whenever someone posts an eventful commute they get ripped to shreds by someone who wasnt there, doesnt know what happened and just guesses. When the OP tries to defend himself he gets accused of changing his story, when hes just correcting your assumptions.
sh*t happens, people have opinions, people make observations. Deal with it really. |
+1
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volvicspar
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Posts: 138
Location: Swamp
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 1:17 pm |
Have to agree with simon, as I said earlier, some serious over-reactions on here.
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Buckled_Rims
Joined: 04 Apr 2009
Posts: 114
Location: Geordieland
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 12:21 am |
| Simonb256 wrote: | I just read the whole topic and I'm honestly ashamed to be associated with you guys. Really..
Someone had an accident, 9/10 both parties are at fault in an accident (honest).The 'doctor' could of moved tot he left, the OP could of handled the bike better/be going slower.
This whole, "OMG burn the racist" sh*te is laughable. It's a feature of the guy he hit. No doubt you'd get the same reaction if he had posted "...btw he only had one arm" or "...btw he was wearing a trilby". Since when is making an observation being racist?
Also all this sh*te in this topic just goes to show it really is a case of ' you can have your own opinion as long as it fits with mine'.
Everyone grow up and stop trying to be an internet hero.
This is why I seldom post here anymore, whenever someone posts an eventful commute they get ripped to shreds by someone who wasnt there, doesnt know what happened and just guesses. When the OP tries to defend himself he gets accused of changing his story, when hes just correcting your assumptions.
sh*t happens, people have opinions, people make observations. Deal with it really. |
I agree with Simon.
If a forum mod is reading this, then I'm afraid this topic is simply bringing disrepute on a good website in my honest opinion. This topic should have been pulled long ago.
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dmclite
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pedylan
Joined: 15 Aug 2007
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 12:11 pm |
| Buckled_Rims wrote: |
I agree with Simon.
If a forum mod is reading this, then I'm afraid this topic is simply bringing disrepute on a good website in my honest opinion. This topic should have been pulled long ago. |
I had considered adding a few thoughts myself, none of which agreed with Simon incidentally, but I too consider this thread better closed and hoped it would be allowed to die.
So +1 to Buckled Rims, either pull it or leave it alone.
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1footedninja
Joined: 03 Feb 2008
Posts: 131
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 2:19 pm |
'since the flaming telly's been taken away, we don't even know if the Queen of Englands gone off with the dustman'.
Lizzie Birdsworth, Episode 64, Prisoner Cell Block H. |
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fast as fupp
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Posts: 1103
Location: sunny birkenhead
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:49 pm |
| dandrew wrote: | Racism is unacceptable.
The only form of intolerance that seems to be accepted on this forum is directed towards people who work at Halfords or ride the bikes they sell. |
surely its ok to hate FAT folk?
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Chip \'oyler
Joined: 03 Nov 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:44 pm |
| fast as fupp wrote: | | dandrew wrote: | Racism is unacceptable.
The only form of intolerance that seems to be accepted on this forum is directed towards people who work at Halfords or ride the bikes they sell. |
surely its ok to hate FAT folk? |
Yes it is
'The idiots are winning' |
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teagar
Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 11:39 pm |
| Simonb256 wrote: |
This whole, "OMG burn the racist" sh*te is laughable. It's a feature of the guy he hit. No doubt you'd get the same reaction if he had posted "...btw he only had one arm" or "...btw he was wearing a trilby". Since when is making an observation being racist?
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Since when was making an observation being racist? Since racism existed largely. The point of racism is that if you observe "races", if you see the world in that way, then you are, literally, (not necessarily morally) a racist. That "observing" creates the space for racism to occur.
When you imply or suggest that race (or ethnic nationality, which in this case is meant synonymously) has a bearing on someone's character, you (should) become a social lepper. Hence the response. on the forum.
Of course he wouldn't get the same reaction if he said "btw he was wearing a trilby".
But he didn't say that!
If he said he loved goats he'd also get a different reaction.
They're completely different!
Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie. |
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softlad
Joined: 24 Jul 2008
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Location: Ceredigion
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 11:47 pm |
| teagar wrote: |
Since when was making an observation being racist? Since racism existed largely. The point of racism is that if you observe "races", if you see the world in that way, then you are, literally, (not necessarily morally) a racist. That "observing" creates the space for racism to occur.
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what a load of rubbish. you are saying that simply being conscious and observant makes someone racist..? get a grip man - before you disappear up your own bottom.....
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teagar
Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 11:55 pm |
| softlad wrote: | | teagar wrote: |
Since when was making an observation being racist? Since racism existed largely. The point of racism is that if you observe "races", if you see the world in that way, then you are, literally, (not necessarily morally) a racist. That "observing" creates the space for racism to occur.
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you are saying that simply being conscious and observant makes someone racist..? . |
Spot on!
Was my specialist topic for my degree and bagged me a first this summer. There's an awful lot of extremely well thought of literature which agrees with me.
Remember, i said "literally" a racist.
i.e. someone who defines the world through race. It's not a moral judgement like I said. (The fact that you take it as such demonstrates that you see meaning behind the literal "racist" since you associate it with moral and emotive feelnigs and ideas. The same logic can be applied to the original faux pax made in the OP. You can't take him litereally because those associations with the way he described the guy he hit DO exist and cannot be separated from the word).
I'm pretty sure you don't divide the world up by what colour eyes they have or what hand the write with.
You do divide the world according to nations/race/gender etc.
There's plenty of reasons why.
Human knowledge is not and cannot be "objective" in any absolute term, as this example neatly demonstrates.
If you want to read more and understand where I'm coming from, rather than dismissing it out of hand as academic bullsh!t or something along those lines, I won't bore you all with discourses, Manichien allegories, litterary deconstruction etc, but go read up on Foucault, Edward Said, and any other respected historian, sociologists and philosophers who deals with issues of gender, race, and other minorities.
Note: the above post is an opinion and not fact. It might be a lie. |
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