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Cafewanda
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PARIS75
Joined: 13 Oct 2009
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Location: Just got back
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 Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:53 pm |
Ive been a runner for over 20 years and am still on the same set of knees
where does the OP get the knee issue from 
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cjcp
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Location: Where kids get up far too early
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 5:59 pm |
| Fungus The Muffin Man wrote: | | Daniel B wrote: | I never liked running, but tried it this year for the first time, and do like it now, not as much as cycling, but for me the best bit is the time efficiency bit, ie I can get the same work out in X minutes, that it would take me X time 3 on the bike.
Plus near me I have canal towpaths and the like which are very nice to run on and not as jarring as pavements.
Oh yeh, and I have a little bit of a gut, and cycling has never helped, but with running I saw an immediate reduction.
I too want to enter a duathlon, my aspirations for triathlons are limited, as I cannot swim!
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I found the local one to me on www.duathlon247.com ( I think thats what it was called) |
I found cycling on the commute very good for my 5k run times. The effect of generally haring to and from work meant that my PB came down about a minute with no run training. I didn't test it over 10k, but it meant I could get through my last duathlon with very little run training.
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pastryboy
Joined: 29 Jul 2009
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:01 pm |
It's very hard to cycle hard enough for long enough to make it comparable to the workout you can get from running for even a quarter of the time/distance. When you run you can pretty much go for it but cycling you have to be wary of what's around you.
I cycle 150 miles per week but it's only when I pick up the running distances that I see fat coming off.
Of course doing both is best - as long as you a hand in both so to speak they will complement eachother.
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Headhuunter
Joined: 28 Nov 2008
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Location: SE London
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:19 pm |
| SecretSam wrote: | I mean, really, why? I saw the local "Running Club" out last night as usual, trundling around the streets of Aylesbury, and I thought: "why?"
I mean:
- It's slow
- You can't carry very much so it's no good for any distance (no touring - who goes on a 'running holiday'????)
- It damages the knees (etc)
- If you live in an urban area, you can't quickly get anywhere nice unless you take a car or train or something into the sticks
- There's no nice "Stuff" - unless you count laces or vests or whatever
The fact that I loath running may have influenced me on this matter, but really, in comparison to riding upon man's most efficient machine, why?
Am happy to be enlightened. |
I too, love running but I also love cycling.
- It's slow - yes but to get the same amount of CV exercise on a bike as you can get from a 40 minute or so run, you have to be out for hours. I love the fact that running allows you a quick burst of exercise and doesn't involve planning a route through hills and dales, you can just head out round a park for a few miles
- You can't carry very much so it's no good for any distance (no touring - who goes on a 'running holiday'????) - As above, that can be an advantage if you're just looking for a quick bit of exercise
- It damages the knees (etc) - Only if you do it excessively, in fact cycling apparently diminishes bone density and can cause osteoporosis, whereas runing actually builds bone density
- If you live in an urban area, you can't quickly get anywhere nice unless you take a car or train or something into the sticks - I used to run to work and back once a week or so (total of 12 miles), so you can get places.
- There's no nice "Stuff" - unless you count laces or vests or whatever - That can be an advantage, no fannying around with fettling, you just whack on your trainers and out the door
I'm not running at the moment, I developed a stress fracture (from running on tarmac and concrete with a heavy rucksack) 1st in my right shin and then when that was healing, in my left, but I'm eager to get back to it. I used to love taking my trainers with me when I went on holidays and heading out for a run early in the morning in a new town or city - you really get to know a place that way.
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Stevo 666
Joined: 26 Jun 2009
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Location: Sunny Beckenham, Kent
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jimmypippa
Joined: 12 Dec 2008
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Location: Peak District
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Posted Wed Nov 4, 2009 6:27 pm |
On the fitnes front:
A colleague (ultramarathon runner) has stopped cycling to work because he found that he was losing fitness compared to running the few miles (about three each way). He also runs 5-kraces, but little in between.
| nasahapley wrote: | I can't stand road running for pretty much the reasons stated in the OP, but fell-running is awesome! Much better for all-round fitness than just cycling and you're not restricted to roads/bridleways or even footpaths (on access land at least); you can pretty much go where you want. As for running knackering your knees - it will if you have bad technique or if you try to do too much too soon (esp. if you're overweight), which unfortunately a lot of people do. Same as riding around everywhere in 53-11 with your saddle 6 inches too low won't do you many favours either.
Tbh I like running and cycling just the same, but then I'm fortunate enough to live somewhere where it's always a pleasure to do either! |
I tend to like "fast" fell-walking but quite often cycle part of the way, then leave my bike and run the rest. From my door to the trig point on Kinder low it is about 90mins*. It certainly exercises different muscles though, which I feel the next day.
*I think that might be simply running all the way, actually.
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Slimbods
Joined: 27 Jul 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:36 pm |
Great thread.
Recently got my fitness up to the point where I can run my commute (3 miles) rather than walk/cycle it, and the fitness improvements are definitely showing. Problem I find with running is that my route is hilly, but with cycling you have gears and when you run out of gears you can stand up. Running doesn't have any option on hills other than putting your head down and digging in. Cycling you can coast down too, but running requires effort still.
As for the knees thing, I've also been struggling. Seem to have really tight hamstrings from years of abuse, which translates into pain on the inside of the knee, but don't have any of these problems on the bike.
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Headhuunter
Joined: 28 Nov 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:48 pm |
| Slimbods wrote: | Great thread.
Recently got my fitness up to the point where I can run my commute (3 miles) rather than walk/cycle it, and the fitness improvements are definitely showing. Problem I find with running is that my route is hilly, but with cycling you have gears and when you run out of gears you can stand up. Running doesn't have any option on hills other than putting your head down and digging in. Cycling you can coast down too, but running requires effort still.
As for the knees thing, I've also been struggling. Seem to have really tight hamstrings from years of abuse, which translates into pain on the inside of the knee, but don't have any of these problems on the bike. |
Cycling notoriously shortens and tightens hamstrings, I've heard this is because cycling uses muscles without allowing them to extend fully unlike running. I do a lot of stretches at the gym to try to avoid this.
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Waddlie
Joined: 13 Feb 2009
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Location: Bristol
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:49 pm |
| SecretSam wrote: | | ...trundling around the streets of Aylesbury... |
If you're in Aylesbury I think a few runners are probably the least of your worries...
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chronyx
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 5:55 pm |
Running is cool. Enjoy both in their own ways. Cycling is practical, running is more 'pure' and natural.
The daylight saving change means I can't run at Chobham common after work anymore, I should try a road run again at some point I guess.
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Slimbods
Joined: 27 Jul 2008
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 6:23 pm |
Considered a head torch Chronyx?
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cjcp
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:43 pm |
I've conceded that I need to do some running over the winter to keep the weight down. Last winter, I gained about six pounds and I struggled to get rid of it.
I've heard the same as HH said about tightening hamstrings.
"I got nothing!"
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itboffin
Joined: 05 Jun 2008
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Location: Marlborough, Windshire
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Posted Thu Nov 5, 2009 10:47 pm |
| Headhuunter wrote: | | Slimbods wrote: | Great thread.
Recently got my fitness up to the point where I can run my commute (3 miles) rather than walk/cycle it, and the fitness improvements are definitely showing. Problem I find with running is that my route is hilly, but with cycling you have gears and when you run out of gears you can stand up. Running doesn't have any option on hills other than putting your head down and digging in. Cycling you can coast down too, but running requires effort still.
As for the knees thing, I've also been struggling. Seem to have really tight hamstrings from years of abuse, which translates into pain on the inside of the knee, but don't have any of these problems on the bike. |
Cycling notoriously shortens and tightens hamstrings, I've heard this is because cycling uses muscles without allowing them to extend fully unlike running. I do a lot of stretches at the gym to try to avoid this. |
It's true my hams are tighter than GT purse I now have to spend minutes every day stretch my hams otherwise is pulls on my back then eventually my neck, someone remind me again why cycling is worth while?
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highwaymunky
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:27 am |
I love running! in fact running fixed my knee!
I snapped my left ACL back in 2007 I had been commuting by bike for about 7 months when it happend and I was able to get back on the bike within a month. I then had the op to fix it and it was only about 7 months post-op that I took up running and over the next 2 months doing 3 miles once or twice a week all the pain in my knee went. All the scar tissue was broken down and absorbed.
In fact I know if i've not got some running as as my knees start to hurt from all the cycling.
Cycling = Good
Running = Good
Both = Very Good!
But that's just me...... oh and it's much easier to chat with a mate whilst running than cycling i find.
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wantaway
Joined: 12 Feb 2009
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:55 am |
I took up running as part of the general life shift that triggered me to think about cycling to work every day.
I thought I'd hate it and I thought I'd be rubbish at it. I was only half wrong.
Other than the obvious differences. Running is a good balance for cycling as it is much more of a mental effort, it enable me to listen to music and completey switch off. I can't do this on a bike on a road unless I want to come to a sticky end. Running is strangley relaxing.
Running is also a good balance to cycling as there is no let up. On a bike I can always coast when I get to a point that I just don't have anything left in the legs. Running is more of a constant pace. if you even change pace it becomes very hard. Teh need to keep going is a good way of imposing some discipline which I can then bring to my cycling.
And runnig gear looks better than cycling gear. there. i've said it.
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sampras38
Joined: 05 Feb 2009
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:16 am |
| SecretSam wrote: | I mean, really, why? I saw the local "Running Club" out last night as usual, trundling around the streets of Aylesbury, and I thought: "why?"
I mean:
- It's slow
- You can't carry very much so it's no good for any distance (no touring - who goes on a 'running holiday'????)
- It damages the knees (etc)
- If you live in an urban area, you can't quickly get anywhere nice unless you take a car or train or something into the sticks
- There's no nice "Stuff" - unless you count laces or vests or whatever
The fact that I loath running may have influenced me on this matter, but really, in comparison to riding upon man's most efficient machine, why?
Am happy to be enlightened. |
I have this conversation with a good friend of mine all the time, as he's fairly recently taken up ultra running. Not a bad cyclist too and did the Dragon Wales Sportive in a pretty good time last year having never previously done anything over 50 miles, and was out in france with me this year cycling the Joux Plane and Colombiere.. He's now doing these 50 mile runs and he loves it.
Personally I prefer riding over running. Get much more of a buzz from it.
Horses for courses I guess
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beegee
Joined: 25 Jul 2006
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Location: Belgium
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:16 am |
And with running there's no 15 page discussions about if it's right or wrong to go commando under the running shorts.
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Headhuunter
Joined: 28 Nov 2008
Posts: 1353
Location: SE London
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:17 am |
| beegee wrote: | | And with running there's no 15 page discussions about if it's right or wrong to go commando under the running shorts. |
I do
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Asprilla
Joined: 27 Feb 2009
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Location: RP & The Big E
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:38 am |
| beegee wrote: | | And with running there's no 15 page discussions about if it's right or wrong to go commando under the running shorts. |
You've never been on the RW forums then........
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