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ChillyGetsTrilly
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 Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:30 pm |
This statement is definitely true, and i like your video. nice trail.
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Northwind
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 2:33 am |
| yeehaamcgee wrote: | | It's the rapid left-right-left-right that annoys the crap out of me on handlebar cams. Sticking it on a stem is not going to make that problem go away. |
It does reduce it though, since the camera's moving less for each bar movement. I like the extra movement, it does make for a less nice video but it gives it a bit more of an impression of action, just like shakycam footage in a film. You can spend a lot of effort on getting a stable, high quality video and it just ends up looking slow and sterile.
Here's a wee demo, the mount was a total lashup so the camera's pitching a wee bit (I crashed in the freeride park 5 minutes before this and broke the mount! Annoyingly, the camera wasn't rolling...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgKvyELO8YE
Still, I don't think this is the best option, I just don't rule it out for when you want a different effect. I think possibly chest cam is still the best out there though I do like some of the frame mounts. If I ever get my horrible old ATC2K back I'll probably rig it with a frame mount/fork view to get a second angle.
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Mancunianfightingcat
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fishcake
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Northwind
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yeehaamcgee
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 5:18 pm |
THAT, is excellent camera positioning. Best compromise yet I reckon.
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SPIRO
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 5:25 pm |
| yeehaamcgee wrote: |
THAT, is excellent camera positioning. Best compromise yet I reckon. |
+1 - very good, dont suppose you have a pic of your set-up for those of us tempted to try the same?
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bluechair84
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 6:59 pm |
| x-isle wrote: | | Mancunianfightingcat wrote: |
So, in conlusion, frame mounted is best! |
Yep, as I said, the frame is the only (almost) static item.
I have another one with the camera mounted at the front of the top tube. Video isn't the best footage and sorry for the cheesy beginning. However, with the shots of the bike at the beginning, you can see where the Dogcam is mounted.
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/23809/ |
Nice video, shame the bike and knees take up so much of the image, but you get a great sense of speed and lean. Seeing the forks work that much is great as well, never get to see them working like that from the saddle...
What surprises me most is how little the bike is vibrating or shaking - the image seems pretty sharp. The shocks must be doing a damn good job!
I want to build a little A-frame to mount the camera aside and behind the rider slightly and give a better impression of the riders movement around the bike. Trouble is the image will never be centered on the horizon with all that movement. Be a hard angle to get with much success...
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willy b
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yeehaamcgee
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nicklouseLives Here
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yeehaamcgee
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:12 pm |
+1 to Nick. I also just can't bear to watch them "oh no, it's a handlebar cam. OFF"
Here's a top tip though. If you want your riding footage to look exciting, dynamic, and most of all, FAST, then you must do 3 things.
Find an interesting, dynamic trail.
Ride it FAST
go balls-out.
The sad truth is that for us mere mortals, we're never going to get helmet-cam footage that looks like the pros, and no amount of extra, unnecesary motion added by placing the camera somewhere stupid lke the handlebars is going to cure that.
It might feel like we're doing 35mph occasionally, but if you had a speedo, you'd realise this is rarely the case.
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Northwind
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 8:16 pm |
I quite like that. I mean, it's horrible, all lurches and chaos but then that's what mountain biking is like sometimes.
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Mancunianfightingcat
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yeehaamcgee
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willy b
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Posted Sun Nov 8, 2009 10:40 pm |
I do kind of see what you mean guys.
However I think unless you are clever and invent some good mounts (obviously depending on camera) then bars is probably the best, certainly the most stable which gives you the best "life like" riding video.
For example today, if the camera was mounted on the headtube, then it would have got covered in mud etc... Also with bar mounts you can still see the tyre, thus making it again more life like.
Be interesting to see some mount pictures though, and what camera you are using.
BTW - The link to that video is broken, so will be fixed tomorrow when i re upload the vid.
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bluechair84
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Posted Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:10 am |
| Mancunianfightingcat wrote: | I mde my mount from a reflector bracket and a block of 2" x 1" wood. I don't really need the wood it just gives a more stable base.
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Manc, what do you call your camera setup? I've been trying to find information about having an external lens attachment for a video camera but I don't know what you would call it - so I'm struggling to research it.
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Northwind
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Posted Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:00 pm |
| bluechair84 wrote: | | Manc, what do you call your camera setup? I've been trying to find information about having an external lens attachment for a video camera but I don't know what you would call it - so I'm struggling to research it. |
I'd really recommend against it... With the single unit ones getting so good there's not as much benefit as there used to be, and for cycling especially the extra wires etc are a hassle. The Vio is a brilliant bit of kit but if you're building your own with a video camera and a seperate bullet cam you'll also usually need a 12V supply for the camera, and you'll need to be constantly wired in- so, you need to have the camera in a rucksack or frame bag or similiar. All in all, it's a hassle, I got rid of my old kit (from motorbiking) after using it a couple of times for mountain biking.
Also, you need a video camera with an av-in, which is fairly uncommon these days. Though there are some really nice alternatives, the wee JXC media players mostly work with bullet cams, and they're solid state, compact and inexpensive.
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In fact I was riding like a big nance, the camera position just gives that impression. I'll rig it up again some time for a techier descent and see how it looks.
Tried all sorts of mounts, but bar mount is just the best so far.
