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yeehaamcgee
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 Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 11:19 am |
| richg1979 wrote: |
really dont like the marins quadlink setup, my bro has a 08 wolfridge that i borrowed for a few days while i was rebuilding my 575 and i was glad to give it back, handled nice but no pedaling efficency whatsoever, any sniff of power and the back end would stoop for a poo. |
sounds like you had WAY too much rear sag. Its ideal set-up is 30% sag, and at that point, slamming power through the pedals makes the rear want to stand up, not sit down, so there's no way it could squat unless you pedal like a cossak dancer.
See, the initial rearwards axle path means that when you pedal the bike in the first 2/3rd or so of travel, the rear wheel wants to come towards the rider, and that means it pushes down, trying to raise the back, which counteracts the rider's bobbing.
Of course, this effect can vary slightly depending on rider weight and so on, but it should never, under any circumstance (apart from having WAY way way too much static sag - too soft a rear shock), sag whilst pedalling.
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flinny01
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 4:17 pm |
the cube fritzz on chain reaction is an absolute bargain in my opinion. My mate had one in Les Get and rode almost the same stuff that I did on my transition bottlerocket.
I like the idea of just buying the frame etc and like the Scott frame with the equalizer2 shock. Someone I met was riding with me at Fort William and it could go from locked out to 7" at the flick of a switch - pretty handy.
I'd have to get new forks though and fox 36's definitely have the right toughness for the bike im after.
I'll have a look at some Yeti's but if 3 top bikes from the mega were scott genius then thats worth a closer look as a bike that can handle that is the right sort of bike for me.
Anyone got anything else to say about Yeti's or Genius's?
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Clarky78
Joined: 04 Nov 2009
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 7:28 pm |
I'm in the same boat as your but I'm 6'4".. Replacing BUllit, and Rocky Ridge with one bike.. I hope!
I was going to recommend the Marin Wolf Ridge 6.9 cause Rutland Cycles are doing the 09 one's at a steal at £1700, which is a lot of bike for the money. Unfortunately, Marin are sizeists and don't make bigger than a Large which doesn't fit me, and feels like it just wants to fold under. Also pedal bob was awful, but maybe it was just way too soft like the other guy said.
If you can find one, try the Iron Horse 6 point 6, that things was awesome, I had a quick spin on one of those too.
I'm also looking at the Spicy but they are pricy for the spec and not sure they are strong? I'm also considering the Giant Reign but swapping the forks, I think the X1 is to heavy.
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flamedude
Joined: 01 Sep 2009
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 8:01 pm |
Santa Cruz Nomad
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Bregante
Joined: 25 Jan 2009
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Posted Fri Nov 6, 2009 10:55 pm |
+1 for the nomad. Awesome bikes - not got one but ride with two lads who have and they can do pretty much anything on them - uplift days in the pyrenees, to all day xc rides in the peaks. Can't believe it got to page two before it cropped up. You may struggle to spec one well for £3k tho  . Frame only and swap over most parts would be the way forward.
Or, an Alpine 160? A mate did the Maxi Avalanche in Valle Nord this summer and said it rode as good as his DH bike
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richg1979
Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 1:25 am |
| yeehaamcgee wrote: | | richg1979 wrote: |
really dont like the marins quadlink setup, my bro has a 08 wolfridge that i borrowed for a few days while i was rebuilding my 575 and i was glad to give it back, handled nice but no pedaling efficency whatsoever, any sniff of power and the back end would stoop for a poo. |
sounds like you had WAY too much rear sag. Its ideal set-up is 30% sag, and at that point, slamming power through the pedals makes the rear want to stand up, not sit down, so there's no way it could squat unless you pedal like a cossak dancer.
See, the initial rearwards axle path means that when you pedal the bike in the first 2/3rd or so of travel, the rear wheel wants to come towards the rider, and that means it pushes down, trying to raise the back, which counteracts the rider's bobbing.
Of course, this effect can vary slightly depending on rider weight and so on, but it should never, under any circumstance (apart from having WAY way way too much static sag - too soft a rear shock), sag whilst pedalling. |
i set it up at 25% standing sag, i used 75% of rear travel just from sprinting on flat ground. the yeti just accelerates effortlessly with no bob or noticable squat even when standing and hammering away, the marin just seems to turn all your hard work into rear squat.
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yeehaamcgee
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richg1979
Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 1:38 am |
a couple of mates rode it over the course of the weekend and no one got on with it, my bro dont use it for much trail riding only for light dh and free ride as its too much hard work and keeps getting left behind
im usually the quickest out of our group but not on that weekend everyone was waiting for me at the end of each trail.
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silveringsurfer
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Location: North Devon
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richg1979
Joined: 01 Sep 2008
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 10:48 am |
just been looking through some marin reviews and the pedal squish/bob is a Characteristic of the quad link setup, marin have fitted the new fox power boost valve rear shock to the 2010 bikes to try and tame this down.
if yours pedals like hardtail you have a very special marin.
i would avoid unless its for gravity riding.
the 120mm version (mount vision) is not as bad as the 140mm version and is a superb handling bike but i still would not want one for any sort of xc.
i would go with somthing that has a single pivot or vpp design. 2010 spesh,yeti,SC, intense, lapierre ect
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yeehaamcgee
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 11:33 am |
| silveringsurfer wrote: | Hmm - I've been looking at a Marin Rock Springs (same as Wolfridge). I know it's a hefty bike but I was hoping to lighten it up to closer to the 30lb mark and use it for more general trail centre/ heavy duty xc stuff. Some of these comments make me question whether this is achievable/desirable  Accepting that the shock on the one mentioned above is either set up wrong or knackered is the bike just to burly for this use? |
Honest to god, I ride mine for everything, from DH tails, to jumping, to XC, to "outback" riding, to commuting. It's great, and bobs much less than most other bikes I've ridden.
It has some pedal feedback on large, square edged hits, but nothing that is bothersome.
The ride is insanely plush compared to other 140mm bikes, giving a "big bike" feel, and making it ride over rough terrain like a pocket DH rocket.
I can't honestly take richg1979's opinions seriously when he says...
| richg1979 wrote: | | i would go with somthing that has a single pivot or vpp design. 2010 spesh,yeti,SC, intense, lapierre ect |
Since the marin IS a VPP design ad very few of those manufacturers he mentions have single-pivot bikes. 
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richg1979
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 11:54 am |
some have but most are vpp.
best thing is to try a few my money is on you wont be going home with a marin.
dont get me wrong its a very good handling plush bike that feels bottom less over the rough stuff but its not one if you like efficency.
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DMRrider95
Joined: 30 Dec 2008
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 3:01 pm |
santa cruz blur lt or nomad trek remedy specialized enduro lappiere zesty or spicy
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flinny01
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 3:46 pm |
just been comparing the specs and prices of the lapierre spicys - why are they so expensive?! The 516 is £3000 and has a mix of XT and SLX setup whilst the new 2010 Fritzz - which looks ace by the way - seems to be better specced and cheaper. The 2009 Fritzz on chainreaction seem to have run out of 18" too but seems to be very well specced for the price.
Dont like the curvy lines on the nomad and it always looks like there is too much metal going on on the Marin's. The spec and the blurb on the Cube Fritz The One 2010 on their website seems to be bang on what im after.
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Tom Barton
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 3:55 pm |
Everyone will preach their own favoured bikes as the best - I had the same dilemma with all these bikes on the market and the only way is to test ride a few of them - specially when your dropping mega bucks on a bike. Pick a few out of the lists above and go see which one 'does it' for you.
I found my long, tall frame didn't suit the shortish nomad, but the spicy felt totally natural and on my own mind some of the others just didn't feel as good as the spicy did - but others say the same for other bikes...
And remember the riders win the races not the bikes 
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grumsta
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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Posted Sat Nov 7, 2009 4:03 pm |
| Quote: | | Everyone will preach their own favoured bikes as the best - I had the same dilemma with all these bikes on the market and the only way is to test ride a few of them - specially when your dropping mega bucks on a bike. Pick a few out of the lists above and go see which one 'does it' for you. |
This is pretty much the only useful advice in this thread. 
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