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Ollieda
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SteppenHerring
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 Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:31 am |
| NapoleonD wrote: | | mad4itinnit wrote: | | you can download alot of the dvds for turbo trainers on utorrent have 6 now and there good not tried serrfest yet but spinval is good clear instruction and guides on which gears and tension to be in very good and free |
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NapD - I'm surprised you don't know this, but copyright infringement isn't actually a criminal offense - it's a civil matter. The big record/movie companies would love the taxpayer to pick up the bill for enforcement though.
I don't condone snaffling stuff over the internet though. Unless the producer deserves it due to already being rich. Or the PVR went t*ts-up trashing your recording. Or you lost the original disc.
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senoj
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Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:45 pm |
| softlad wrote: | | timb64 wrote: |
Hence my original flippant remark(must take life more seriously in future) |
nothing wrong with a bit of flippancy on a thread about turbos. Personally, I think turbo training is the most miserable cycling-related activity ever invented - it's enough to put you off riding a bike.
Unfortunately, it is also pretty useful for building speed and threshold tolerance (ie suffering). However, unless you are actually racing - or planning on racing, I would seriously question the need for turbo sessions anyway... |
I have to agree with the above,it does build your suffering up to a higher level.
I have owned one for two weeks and have managed 6 hours on it mainly due to the children problem(or should that be problem children).
It has already become a chore but once on, you get a great sweat and I can genuinely get my legs to ache the next day.Better than doing nothing
not a patch on doing it for real though.
My tip...try to do it in the shed.
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hopper1
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NapoleonD
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Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:03 pm |
| SteppenHerring wrote: | | NapoleonD wrote: | | mad4itinnit wrote: | | you can download alot of the dvds for turbo trainers on utorrent have 6 now and there good not tried serrfest yet but spinval is good clear instruction and guides on which gears and tension to be in very good and free |
Erm...
And illegal? |
NapD - I'm surprised you don't know this, but copyright infringement isn't actually a criminal offense - it's a civil matter. The big record/movie companies would love the taxpayer to pick up the bill for enforcement though.
I don't condone snaffling stuff over the internet though. Unless the producer deserves it due to already being rich. Or the PVR went t*ts-up trashing your recording. Or you lost the original disc. |
I didn't say it was a criminal offence...
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Ollieda
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mad4itinnit
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Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:36 pm |
plus dude i dont burn them onto dvd the files are only on computer not copied and iam not being funny mate you never ever downloaded any thing from net that your not ment to lmao
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amaferanga
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Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:43 pm |
IMO if you can actually follow a movie or TV programme then you're not making the most of your turbo time....
More problems but still living.... |
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Pross
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Posted Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:44 pm |
You're all making me feel guilty. My turbo programme involves riding steadily for about half an hour before confirming I hate it and chucking it back in the shed for x number of years until I forget how much I hate it. I'll try some of your programmes to see if having a routine helps me tolerate it more (I suspect no-one actually enjoys it do they?).
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Dunedin397
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Posted Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:38 pm |
I'm not so sure I wouldn say turbo training is ever overly enjoyable, but when it's wet or dar or cold or wet, dark and cold, turbo training is better than doing nothing.
I've found you need to vary the sessions as much as possible, particularly if you're not overly keen, but try and bear in mind that it's a means to an end. I'll do a spin for 30 minutes and try to get close to 10 miles, use the Rick Kiddle, Chris Carmichale, Tour de France DVDs or just watch a movie whilst I spin away.
You'll get out what you put in and I've always found I've improved over the winter by using the turbo, but when the weather is good I'll go out and ride.
Dunedin
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hopper1
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rdt
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Posted Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:01 pm |
I'm clearly insane as quite often I'm happy using the turbo as much as the bike - more so if the weather's poor!
I should qualify that: riding with others is more interesting, as is riding in fantastic weather, pootling slowly along quiet pretty lanes, or other particularly nice locations, and rides can be much longer due to sensory feedback keeping the brain busy. But, that massive list of qualifications aside  , I find that if riding alone, and *hard*, on regular routes that I know well, doesn't do that much more for me than being on the turbo.
It's pretty hilly where I ride, and I have to say that riding alone up a decently long hill is, to me, very similar to doing threshold type work on the turbo, except with a few roadside sheep to look at instead of a view of the garden.
It helps me hugely that each turbo session has a plan on what exactly I'll do in it, with each session being part of an overall plan, giving a varying sequence of sessions. So completing a session gives a sense of accomplishment of achieving a step in the 'plan'. I log the details of the session, so I can compare to the same session from when I last did it (looking for measurable improvement), which also helps generate a sense of progression and satisfaction.
Maybe it's all just an OCD outlet or something, and otherwise I'd be manically cleaning the house or religiously organising my paperwork. Come to think of it,with the mess on my desk and state of the house, that might not be a good idea... 
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NapoleonD
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Posted Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:49 pm |
| rdt wrote: | I'm clearly insane as quite often I'm happy using the turbo as much as the bike - more so if the weather's poor!
I should qualify that: riding with others is more interesting, as is riding in fantastic weather, pootling slowly along quiet pretty lanes, or other particularly nice locations, and rides can be much longer due to sensory feedback keeping the brain busy. But, that massive list of qualifications aside , I find riding alone, *hard*, on regular routes I know well, doesn't do that much more for me than being on the turbo.
It's pretty hilly where I ride, and I have to say that riding alone up a decently long hill is, to me, very similar to doing threshold type work on the turbo, except with a few roadside sheep to look at instead of a view of the garden.
It helps me hugely that each turbo session has a plan on what exactly I'll do in it, with each session being part of an overall plan, giving a varying sequence of sessions. So completing a session gives a sense of accomplishment of achieving a step in the 'plan'. I log the details of the session, so I can compare to the same session from when I last did it (looking for measurable improvement), which also helps generate a sense of progression and satisfaction.
Maybe it's all just an OCD outlet or something, and otherwise I'd be manically cleaning the house or religiously organising my paperwork. Come to think of it,with the mess on my desk and state of the house, that might not be a good idea... |
I am of exactly the same opinion!
I love plugging the powermeter head unit in after an interval session and seeing what I did...
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NapoleonD
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Posted Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:01 pm |
New Sufferfest vid out today, it's brill!
It has two lots of descending intervals (2 mins on, 2 mins recovery, 1.45 mins on, 1.45 mins off, down to 15 seconds on 15 off) hence, I assume, the 'Downward Spiral' title.
Startes off with some shaky helmet cam downhill MTB then the warm up is at a crit race with a couple of efforts. Then the intervals begin, the name sufferfest really lives up to it's name!
The first set of intervals has footage from Paris Roubaix and the second from Fleche Wallone and it's done really well. The recovery reverts to the crit. The bit in between the two sets is some mellow singletrack.
It's bang on an hour including warm up and cool down. Poifick!
The music is fine, I'm not a big rock fan but it's actually ok. I believe the next vid will feature some electronic beat music!
The on screen comments and encouragement work well although they started out a bit cheesy 
All in all, well worth the (very small amount) of money IMO...
http://www.thesufferfest.com/
PS for those interested in power, despite the fact there is a warm up, cool down and quite a bit of recovery time, my normalised power was within 1 watt of what my threshold is set as. No wonder I wanted to throw up during the intervals!!
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Gav888
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Garz
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Posted Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:43 am |
Personally waiting for the NapD QuadPower for beginners..
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LoveVelo
Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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Posted Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:05 am |
This might sound like a slightly off the wall idea, but have a look at the indoor rowing training guide available to download free at
http://concept2.co.uk/training/guide
Okay, it's intended for rowing but there are parts of it, such as information on heart rate bands and heart rate based training that can be adapted for use on a turbo quite easily. If you have access to a Concept 2 rower, even pace based training plans can be translated by monitoring how pace equates to heart rate and using this when on the turbo. I currently use a regime based on a training plan intended for the rowing marathon - that's roughly a two and three quarter hour event for someone like me - which seems to work pretty well.
As for staying interested - hey, you're talking to an ex-rower here, so I'm used to training being endless and boring!
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NapoleonD
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Posted Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:28 am |
| Garz wrote: | | Personally waiting for the NapD QuadPower for beginners.. |
You forgot the tm after the QuadPowertm
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Gav888
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Posted Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:45 pm |
Got my turbo now, picked it up last night, first session tonight and my back and arms were aching alot even though the front wheel is elevated.... Is this something you get used to, or do you need to do core work?
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. If you're into that sort of thing then I find it just helps you take your mind off the bike a bit more as you try and work out "who dun it"
