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BikingBernie
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 Posted Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:22 pm |
| Garry H wrote: | | Moray Gub wrote: | | Whether its an American production team or is an irrelevant or are you saying that all films made by Americans are for Americans ? Americans cycling fans dont give a monkeys about PR and wouldnt know a cobble if it hit them square on the nose. |
Have you seen it? I thought it was obviously aimed at Americans... |
Me too. Then again perhaps it was aimed at the French market, which is why they went to the trouble of putting a wholly irrelevant interview with Armstrong in it! 
Road to Roubaix is not the first example I have seen of those living a distance away from the geographic heartlands of the sport painting a much more romantic picture than those who have it as part of their culture would do. I like Kimmage's story of when he first went over to France and met a railway worker who was an ex racer who told him that he was crazy to want to be a pro as it was a horrible life. Kimmage in his naivety said that he was shocked that 'a Frenchman' could say such a thing. I have seen similar reactions from bike racing obsessed Americans who have lived in France for a while expressing their disappointment on realising that most French people really didn't give a monkey's about pro bike racing any more.
Films like Road to Roubaix help to feed a romanticised image of bike racing, exaggerating its importance to the French and others, because this offers an attractive (and therefore marketable) ideal that is far removed from general apathy shown towards cycling in general in countries such as the US. The British had much the same outlook, largely in response to the grim realities of being a cyclist in Britain, especially from the 1950's through to the end of the 70's.
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Moray Gub
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Posted Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:59 pm |
| iainf72 wrote: | | It's made by American for Americans |
Ok lets take this slowly two points to note here
1) Its not a political film about 9/11 or the Warren report on JFK or Watergate or anything of that nature despite the nonsense BikingBernie has come out with above
2) So given its content its never going to be big box office so is aimed at the cycling DVD market.
Taking those two points into account cycling DVDs will probably always sell more in Europe than in the States particularly if its not about Lance Armstrong or Levi or something else concerning America and particluarly if its about a Classic Race such as Roubaix. Its a matter os simple economics really always aim for the market to get you more cash something the Americans are very good at.
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Moray Gub
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iainf72
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Posted Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:15 pm |
| Moray Gub wrote: |
Taking those two points into account cycling DVDs will probably always sell more in Europe than in the States particularly if its not about Lance Armstrong or Levi or something else concerning America and particluarly if its about a Classic Race such as Roubaix. Its a matter os simple economics really always aim for the market to get you more cash something the Americans are very good at. |
But it's made by Americans for Americans.
Look at the crew details.
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/crew.html
Here's the press release
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/Masterlink_PressRelease.pdf
The target market is CLEARLY American. Sure, they've shifted some units in Europe but I bet they sold more in the US.
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Moray Gub
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:18 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | | Moray Gub wrote: |
Taking those two points into account cycling DVDs will probably always sell more in Europe than in the States particularly if its not about Lance Armstrong or Levi or something else concerning America and particluarly if its about a Classic Race such as Roubaix. Its a matter os simple economics really always aim for the market to get you more cash something the Americans are very good at. |
But it's made by Americans for Americans.
Look at the crew details.
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/crew.html
Here's the press release
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/Masterlink_PressRelease.pdf
The target market is CLEARLY American. Sure, they've shifted some units in Europe but I bet they sold more in the US. |
Its all about making money the crew details are irrelevant .Even the most blinkered of you lot (and its fair to say there are a few)would concede that a Roubaix DVD would sell more in Europe than the States. A bit like a DVD on the World Series is gonna sell more in the States than over here........................simple economics..............target market............its not rocket science .........cash...........cash....cash.........
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RichN95
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:21 am |
Who cares if Armstrong's in it. I would have thought that the views of a big name who wants to stay well away from it would allure to the race. I remember Boardman's quote of "P-R is a circus and I don't want to be one of the clowns". Top names being scared of it adds to its appeal.
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Moray Gub
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:32 am |
| RichN95 wrote: | | Who cares if Armstrong's in it. I would have thought that the views of a big name who wants to stay well away from it would allure to the race. I remember Boardman's quote of "P-R is a circus and I don't want to be one of the clowns". Top names being scared of it adds to its appeal. |
Good point there Rich, good to see you dont let anti american feelings and lets be frank an irrational dislike cloud your judgement.
Sit down and read educate yourself for the coming conflicts |
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Moray Gub
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 1:59 am |
| iainf72 wrote: | | Moray Gub wrote: |
Taking those two points into account cycling DVDs will probably always sell more in Europe than in the States particularly if its not about Lance Armstrong or Levi or something else concerning America and particluarly if its about a Classic Race such as Roubaix. Its a matter os simple economics really always aim for the market to get you more cash something the Americans are very good at. |
But it's made by Americans for Americans.
Look at the crew details.
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/crew.html
Here's the press release
http://www.masterlinkfilms.com/Masterlink_PressRelease.pdf
The target market is CLEARLY American. Sure, they've shifted some units in Europe but I bet they sold more in the US. |
Mmmmm a bit like to trying to sell a DVD of the Henley Regatta in Idaho.
Sit down and read educate yourself for the coming conflicts |
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PBo
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:09 am |
MG
its irrelevant where the sales actually come from - the original point with which you took umbrage was about it being aimed at the american market. well, that point was correct
from the press release:
"Now Masterlink cofounders David Deal and David Cooper are banking on this film about a race nicknamed Hell of the North appealing to a broad American audience."
Hence:
"A teaser of the film, including footage from the filmmakers’ recent trip to the Discovery team training camp, featuring interviews with some of the biggest names in the sport, will be shown on March 7th at the Warehouse Theater in DC"
Sounds aimed at americans to me!
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"the movie is peppered with interviews from pro-cyclists like sports icon and seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong and American champion and Paris-Roubaix favorite George Hincapie."
Yup, big George - that's who I'd choose to appeal to a european audience!
Actually, I get the impression that you didn't really read BBs point properly - you just perceived that your darling Lance was under attack from that nasty BB and rushed to his defence. But to do so you are now using some irrelevant "economics" argument to try and state that black is white.
Some people have been quite gentle on you - pointed you to the press release, given their impressions having actually watched it - but, no you keep digging your hole.
Frankly, it makes you look a total c0ck.
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Good point there Rich, good to see you dont let ....an irrational dislike cloud your judgement. |
Shame you can't say the same about yourself
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[chandler bing] Could I BE any more of a commuter???[/chandler bing] |
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iainf72
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:56 am |
| Moray Gub wrote: |
Mmmmm a bit like to trying to sell a DVD of the Henley Regatta in Idaho. |
You're being absolutely ridiculous now.
All the evidence says it's made for the American market. There is nothing wrong with that at all.
You're wrong, move on.
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Moray Gub
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iainf72
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:55 am |
| Moray Gub wrote: |
All the evidence the only evidence yopu have produced is American production team and an interview with Lance Armstrong. So no i am not wrong the whole idea about these things is too make money and as i pointed out earlier you target the market where youre gonna make money and that aint the States. |
How about what PBo put?
"Now Masterlink cofounders David Deal and David Cooper are banking on this film about a race nicknamed Hell of the North appealing to a broad American audience."
Have you seen it?
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Moray Gub
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:58 am |
| PBo wrote: | MG
its irrelevant where the sales actually come from - the original point with which you took umbrage was about it being aimed at the american market. well, that point was correct
from the press release:
"Now Masterlink cofounders David Deal and David Cooper are banking on this film about a race nicknamed Hell of the North appealing to a broad American audience."
Hence:
"A teaser of the film, including footage from the filmmakers’ recent trip to the Discovery team training camp, featuring interviews with some of the biggest names in the sport, will be shown on March 7th at the Warehouse Theater in DC"
Sounds aimed at americans to me!
and:
"the movie is peppered with interviews from pro-cyclists like sports icon and seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong and American champion and Paris-Roubaix favorite George Hincapie."
Yup, big George - that's who I'd choose to appeal to a european audience!
Actually, I get the impression that you didn't really read BBs point properly - you just perceived that your darling Lance was under attack from that nasty BB and rushed to his defence. But to do so you are now using some irrelevant "economics" argument to try and state that black is white.
Some people have been quite gentle on you - pointed you to the press release, given their impressions having actually watched it - but, no you keep digging your hole.
Frankly, it makes you look a total c0ck.
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Good point there Rich, good to see you dont let ....an irrational dislike cloud your judgement. |
Shame you can't say the same about yourself |
Ok fannybaws two points here
They wanted it to apeall to the American market so much they peppered the front cover with Lance and Biiiig George em um oh maybe not.
When i responded to BB i didnt mention Lance nor was i refering to him at all .Anyway the point stands its all about making money and that wont be made in the shopping malls of Chicago and New York irrespective of where it was shown in March.
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Moray Gub
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andyp
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:31 am |
There are none so blind as those that cannot see.
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Moray Gub
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DaveyL
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:24 am |
Perhaps you should rename yourself "Gub In A Manger"?
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BikingBernie
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:25 am |
The other side is more telling. It is is only available in English and it doesn't even have subtitles listed for French, German, Dutch, Belgian, Italian and so on. So much for it being aimed at the European market. 
Also look at who gets top billing in the listings...
Mmm, what's that I can smell? It's either Moray's bonfire or a piss-soaked tramp.
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Moray Gub
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SpaceJunk
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Posted Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:55 am |
Sorry MG, but I think you are battling a war you just will not be able to win.
But I say, keep on fighting and don't concede defeat. Because many the time it has been when the shoe has been on the other foot and those who have been debating an issue with you have been wrong.
And they wouldn't concede despite all logic and reasoning clearly telling them otherwise. Therefore I say, don't admit you're wrong.
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