10 -42 T cassette!

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby coursemyhorse » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:40 am

How much is this XX1 likely to be pitched at? I can't see any talk of pricing anywhere on the net? I'm assuming very expensive. But how expensive is that? Does one HAVE to use the specific front chain ring, chain and rear derailleur with this kit to make it work?

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:01 pm

It's between XX and X.0 in price, there are prices around, one of the German sites had it listed. The cassette is obviously the expensive part - £330, plus £70 for the freehub body.

You'll have to use the rear mech, chain, cassette and shifter, you could use a different chainset and a guide if you wanted, but it would defeat half the purpose of the groupset.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby coursemyhorse » Mon Sep 03, 2012 13:17 pm

A found a website with a review in it talking about it. It reckons that the price will be $1149.00 for the entire groupset.
So maybe in the UK that may become about £800 for the whole thing? Dunno. It's far enough out of my price range to not have to care now.
I wonder if Hope's 9x36 will be priced lower, or if Shimano are going to bring something out at a lower price point. I fear this will take a year or two to trickle down to the mainstream and become affordable. Oh well. Will carry on with my 1x10 plans I think.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 13:37 pm

If it catches on we'll see a cheaper cassette, which is the crazy expensive part. No different to XX.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby coursemyhorse » Mon Sep 03, 2012 13:42 pm

If it is "priced between X0 and XX" then the cassette would be less than £249.99 as that is the current price of the XX one on Chain Reaction. I don't know if an X0 SRAM casette exists?
The current XX sram shifter is about £100 and the rear mech about £140.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby McWulf » Mon Sep 03, 2012 13:58 pm

I want one. Don't know why, I just do. I do 99% of my pedaling with my middle chainring anyway, so having a cassette that "goes up to 11" sounds perfect.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Sep 03, 2012 14:05 pm

coursemyhorse wrote:A found a website with a review in it talking about it. It reckons that the price will be $1149.00 for the entire groupset.
So maybe in the UK that may become about £800 for the whole thing?

Unlikely. if it's $1149 stateside, then it will invariably £1149 here in the UK.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 15:13 pm

If it is "priced between X0 and XX" then the cassette would be less than £249.99 as that is the current price of the XX one on Chain Reaction. I don't know if an X0 SRAM casette exists?
The current XX sram shifter is about £100 and the rear mech about £140.


Well no, talking retail rather than 'what it can be had for', XX is £330 for a cassette, so that's actually the same. XX has come down a bit, so it's really only cheaper by exclusion and the chainset.

The prices of XX1 are actually on the Fisher website:

Cassette: £330
Rear mech: £240
Chain: £50
Trigger shifter: £140 (Grip Shift £130)
GXP Chainset: £250+ BB (BB30 slightly more)

Spare rings are £70-£90

For comparison, XX is:
Cassette: £330
Rear mech: £225
Front mech: £96-£110
Chain: £50
Trigger shifter: £250
GXP Chainset: £390+ BB (BB30 slightly more)

I don't know if an X0 SRAM casette exists?


Luckily, I do, as I commented on it: XG-1080 cassette, RRP of £225, still lighter (but more expensive) than XTR.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby paul.skibum » Mon Sep 03, 2012 17:37 pm

So the groupset costs about as much as my bike cost me to build. For that reason, I am out.
Closet jockey wheel pimp whore.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Sep 03, 2012 18:20 pm

How the HELL can they justify a £240 price tag on a rear mech, and £50 for the chain?

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby bennett_346 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 18:30 pm

Because there's plenty of investment bankers willing to pay it.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 18:54 pm

The jockey wheels (if they're like XX) are >£100, and last no time at all!

Most top end chains are £50, if not more: X10SL, Dura Ace/XTR etc. they'll be available for much less!

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby coursemyhorse » Mon Sep 03, 2012 20:23 pm

I don't really understand why a manufacturer cannot bring to market a 1x10 or 1x11 setup with wider ratio coverage than 11-36 cassettes, that is affordable. People would buy it in great numbers. Hope talked about their 9x36 setup but that requires a hope Pro2 Evo hub as I recall to work, plus Hope stuff is typically priced high. Atleast with Hope the 9x36 should use existing chain rings and chain setups. But this is Hope. They have talked about it for 2 years and nothing has come to market.

It would be good to see this all trickle down to the mainstream but it feels like it will take a couple of years for manufacturers to get real and stop thinking they can charge eye watering prices. Nobody will buy this SRAM XX1 stuff unless they race and/or have sponsorship or very deep pockets. I think thats a fair minority of MTB riders.

It would be good to see Shimano give this a pop. Competition from more manufacturers will always help to bring down prices. I don't understand what is so hard about it either and why it takes so long to bring this stuff to market. I'm sure with a milling machine I could knock something up in a day. ;) Seriously though...it's like they make out it's the holy grail and hence can only be bought for £££. No...it's a cassette, only slightly different and what riders want. So make and we'll buy it. Done.

What also gets me (nearly done with my rant honest) is the above prices are for premium brands yes, but they are the most consumable part of a MTB! They will wear out in time. You can almost feel your wallet bleeding on each pedal stroke. "Oh that last crunch must have been worth 10 pence".

I've given up. Think I will stick with a 1x10 conversion and go 32 with 11-36. Compromise for me but I don't want a front mech or shifter.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Sep 03, 2012 21:26 pm

coursemyhorse wrote:I don't really understand why a manufacturer cannot bring to market a 1x10 or 1x11 setup with wider ratio coverage than 11-36 cassettes, that is affordable.

I totally agree. We don't particularly need 9-tooth sprockets, what we need, in order to give a genuinely useful range with a single ring, is to have a larger sprocket. so, say 42-11.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:11 am

If you're 20km from civilisation one gear just isn't enough.


Depends on the gear, 12 miles isn't that far...

We don't particularly need 9-tooth sprockets, what we need, in order to give a genuinely useful range with a single ring, is to have a larger sprocket. so, say 42-11.


Whilst I agree, I've a feeling (and it could be wrong) there are issues physically fitting them onto a conventional freehub body with sufficient clearance, hence the driver body that SRAM are using, or the integrated freehub that Hope are using.

People would buy it in great numbers. Hope talked about their 9x36 setup but that requires a hope Pro2 Evo hub as I recall to work, plus Hope stuff is typically priced high. Atleast with Hope the 9x36 should use existing chain rings and chain setups. But this is Hope. They have talked about it for 2 years and nothing has come to market.


No they wouldn't. A minority of riders would probably buy it. Hope stuff isn't exactly crazy expensive, mid-range at best. But XX1 technology will trickle down, we'll see X.0/X.9 level equivalents within a year or two. These things always get introduced at the top end, economics isn't it. Early adopters pay for the privilege.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:29 am

I dunno, Njee. I remember those cheapo cassettes with MASSIVE largest sprockets on beginner bikes.
No idea what tooth size they were, but they were definitely substantially bigger than the second largest sprocket, so, I'm guessing 38 tooth at the very least.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:34 am

Nope, only 34t on Mega Range, just a massive jump from the 28(?) which made it look crazy.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:42 am

really? Bloody hell. So... Why didn't they use standard mtb gearing? How strange!

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby njee20 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:50 am

Avoid massive jumps I guess, it's more a 'bail out' gear.

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Re: 10 -42 T cassette!

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:56 am

I'd have thought massive gear jumps would have been ideal for the suggested audience.


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