Cheating in our sport?

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Cheating in our sport?

Postby CommyAdam » Mon Jul 16, 2012 17:32 pm

Firstly, please correct me if this topic has been over analysed before, or if it is in the wrong section...

I was wondering, partially in light of the controversy in the Tour de France over the weekend, whether or not has anyone has come across (alleged or...) actual cheating taking place of a similar ilk in mountain biking?

I tend to ride for fun and so don't have much personal experience of competitions but following UCI DH and 4X for past ten years or so...i cant think of any instances of sabotage or cheating taking place.

I can only draw from this that our road riding sisters on two wheels are a more malicious breed altogether? ;)

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby cooldad » Mon Jul 16, 2012 17:35 pm

I have my suspicions that an MTBer once smoked something dicey.
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Postby nicklouse » Mon Jul 16, 2012 17:46 pm

There is cheating and there is doing things that are not approved of and would have got you banned from events.

Then there are the mutters who get caught transporting stuff.

And then what about JMCs ashes?
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Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Jul 16, 2012 18:06 pm

I don't follow XC racing, and I don't follow road cycling (at all).
However, I am not aware of any doping in XC racing, but I am aware of endless scandals in road cycling.
Personally, I find that quite telling, that I know of more suspected drug use in a sport I have no interest in whatsoever, than I do about a sport that I have a passing interest in.

I've never heard of a doping issue in DH/4X/

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby StefanP » Mon Jul 16, 2012 18:21 pm

There isnt as much money in professional mountain biking as there is in Road cycling

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Jul 16, 2012 18:33 pm

StefanP wrote:There isnt as much money in professional mountain biking as there is in Road cycling

Or as many illicit drug users, it seems.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby CommyAdam » Mon Jul 16, 2012 19:12 pm

ive read in a few road cycling biographies/accounts of mechanics sleeping with team bikes next to their bed for fear of sabotage... i assume that level of suspicion doesn't pervade the top levels of mountain biking? Though i don't know many top race mechs....

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby supersonic » Mon Jul 16, 2012 19:14 pm

I don't know of any activities in MTBing. Road racing is an absolute joke.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Mon Jul 16, 2012 19:37 pm

supersonic wrote:I don't know of any activities in MTBing.

Lazy feckers :lol:

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Postby paul.skibum » Mon Jul 16, 2012 20:17 pm

Rob Warner & his co host were talking about it during the MSA xc coverage - the co host (a big name xc rider but I cant recall who) said he didnt know of anyone in xc who doped or thought it a problem and Warner said aside from a bit of weed he didn't think it happened in DH.

I reckon pain killers would be the worst in DH - Gee must have been doped tot he eye balls in MSA to ride in the finals after his practice crash.

I think it is a shame the way things went in road cycling, the TDF to me is an ultimate test of rider skills, stamina and team/individual skill but it has had the shine taken off it by the number of dopers in past years. I am following the current tour still and the idea of riding 200k per day in 4 and a half hours for 3 weeks doped or not sounds like a hell of a challenge.
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby bluechair84 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 07:23 am

The only thing I know of even vaguely relatable would be the skin suits used in DH. It seemed to give riders a real advantage and lots of riders ended up using them... then... everyone stopped using them. I can't remember if they stopped using them on account of a gentleman's agreement that either they would all be on a level playing field and looking like nobs, or on a level playing field liking like normal riders; or if they were banned. I'm sure someone will add to this pathetically sketchy account...

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 07:36 am

I think they ended up looking like nobs due to the fact they dont wear them. They arent normal riders, they are professionals (or at least some are lucky enoguh to be)

They should use things like skin suits if it gives them a performance advantage.

I think they were worried it might damage the "image" of the sport.

Downhill mountain biking doesnt really have its own image to damage though. Most of it is just stolen from other extreme sports.

Its a bit embarassing.

People moan about it not being an olympic event, but how can olympic organisers take it seriously when the riders themselves arent prepared to take it seriously?

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby Angry Bird » Tue Jul 17, 2012 07:52 am

UCI changed the rules in 2008 for "safety reasons", banned open face helmets and skinsuits in DH and 4X. Chose the time to "strongly recommended" people wear more protective gear. This was just after Gee and Rach won their world champs in skin suits. Incidently I think previously Rach had kicked up a big fuss about T-Mo racing in a skinsuit in a world cup race because she beat her and it gave her an unfair advantage or something and didn't look cool :roll:

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 07:57 am

Do you remember the controversy when Barel removed the peak from his helmet?

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby bluechair84 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 08:15 am

styxd wrote:They should use things like skin suits if it gives them a performance advantage.

I think they were worried it might damage the "image" of the sport.


of course, if everyone uses them, there is no advantage. But I think the second statement is probably true...

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 08:24 am

of course, if everyone uses them, there is no advantage


Thats always the argument isnt it.

But the fact is, they should all be looking to be as quick down the hill as they possibly can be. If that means removing peaks from their helmets and wearing skin suits then so be it.

You get all the mechanics harping on about the latest technology and this and that, whats the point when you've got some baggy motocross jersey flapping about in the wind!

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby bluechair84 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 09:50 am

:D yes, I suppose with that old argument , they could all still be riding on steel rigids with skinny tyres!

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:02 am

Back when downhill was cool!

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby njee20 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:08 am

I think it's naive to think that road racing has 'got' dirty. I think it's getting cleaner and cleaner every year! I don't doubt there's still some of it going on, but it's certainly not endemic like it was 10-20-30-40-50 years ago, it just didn't come to light until the late 90s.

There have been some mountain bikers banned for doping, Filip Mierhaeghe springs to mind. Sure there was another one, who killed himself a couple of years ago. Forget the name.

I do suspect that because there's less money in MTBing there's less pressure to be the best and to take those risks.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby welshkev » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:33 am

styxd wrote:People moan about it not being an olympic event, but how can olympic organisers take it seriously when the riders themselves arent prepared to take it seriously?



is that a comment about the fact that DH riders actually have fun whilst riding their bikes or that you think that they don't train hard, work hard and generally work their balls off to be the best they can be at their chosen discipline? :roll:
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