Cheating in our sport?

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby welshkev » Tue Jul 17, 2012 13:58 pm

ilovedirt wrote:I seem to remember Missy Giove getting banned from downhill back in the day for failing some drugs test (I think). And there was some other canadian downhiller that got caught drugs-running and ended up hanging himself in the cells (a real shame, can't remember his name though). But aside from that, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of that in professional downhill.



she got done for drug dealing didn't she?
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 14:03 pm

There was that american downhiller got caught for marijuana use (not Miles Rockwell!) I cant remember his name though. Think he had a brother who raced aswell. Troy someone or other?

And what about that Aussie Duel/Dual Slalom racer (cant remember his name either, but he was a big lad with spikey blonde hair and he rode for tek I think) Im sure he got done aswell.

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Wade Bootes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Boote ... and_traits

Cant remember the name of the first guy I mentioned though.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby RevellRider » Tue Jul 17, 2012 14:08 pm

styxd wrote:There was that american downhiller got caught for marijuana use (not Miles Rockwell!) I cant remember his name though. Think he had a brother who raced aswell. Troy someone or other?

And what about that Aussie Duel/Dual Slalom racer (cant remember his name either, but he was a big lad with spikey blonde hair and he rode for tek I think) Im sure he got done aswell.


Rich Houseman was the downhiller who I think had a world cup win stripped from him for testing positive for marijuana and Wade Bootes was the aussie dual racer who tested positive and was banned for 6 months, but had it over turned as he claimed he took it 'unknowingly'

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 14:22 pm

Rich Houseman, thats him. His brother was called Gary I think. Couple of bad lads.

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Postby cooldad » Tue Jul 17, 2012 14:43 pm

Not exactly performance enhancing drugs though, are they?
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby Chunkers1980 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 14:59 pm

It was seen as that in snooker, they stripped the great RoS of an Irish title a few years back.

Anyhow, I perform better and have a big smile.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Tue Jul 17, 2012 15:19 pm

Not exactly performance enhancing drugs though, are they?


Its image enhancing!

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby plugp7 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 16:13 pm

nicklouse wrote:
CommyAdam wrote: occurring in our sport.


big assumtion that MTB is "our" sport.

not mine never has been. but i have been MTBing since before MTB happened.

How many in this thread race regularly? 1? 2?


+1 For me it's a leisure activity. OK, so you "race" your mates sometimes but for me, it's never been a sport and never will (or could) be.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby Blind Danny Johnson » Tue Jul 17, 2012 17:43 pm

plugp7 wrote:
nicklouse wrote:
CommyAdam wrote: occurring in our sport.


big assumtion that MTB is "our" sport.

not mine never has been. but i have been MTBing since before MTB happened.

How many in this thread race regularly? 1? 2?


+1 For me it's a leisure activity. OK, so you "race" your mates sometimes but for me, it's never been a sport and never will (or could) be.


It's definitely a sport:

sport   [spawrt, spohrt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.
diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.
jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.
mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby paul.skibum » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:12 pm

I think people would be suprised how much training DH riders (and obviously xc) do in pursuit of a win, I recall seeing an article on Steve Peat in Dirt a couple of years back showing him doing standing jumps off and onto a box that must have been 4ft high to develop explosive power.

You only have to watch teh Atherton Project to see how much road biking and gym work they put in.

I kind of agree with no skin suits and trying to develop an image for the sport but recall seeing the worlds in australia and the commentator mentioning about some kid pedalling the lower sections with his jersey flapping behind him and basically saying "if he wanted to win he should have tucked his jersey in". Might have been the Trek team boss perhaps.

I think the main benefit of mtb racing is part of your training is riding a mountain bike so at least part of your training is fun!

As far as doping goes, DH racers get tested after each race like in any other sport.
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby cooldad » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:18 pm

Blind Danny Johnson wrote:
plugp7 wrote:
nicklouse wrote:
CommyAdam wrote: occurring in our sport.


big assumtion that MTB is "our" sport.

not mine never has been. but i have been MTBing since before MTB happened.

How many in this thread race regularly? 1? 2?


+1 For me it's a leisure activity. OK, so you "race" your mates sometimes but for me, it's never been a sport and never will (or could) be.


It's definitely a sport:

sport   [spawrt, spohrt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.
diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.
jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.
mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

That sounds about right for my riding skillzzzzzzzz
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:23 pm

styxd wrote:But the fact is, they should all be looking to be as quick down the hill as they possibly can be. If that means removing peaks from their helmets and wearing skin suits then so be it.

You get all the mechanics harping on about the latest technology and this and that, whats the point when you've got some baggy motocross jersey flapping about in the wind!

They're hardly "baggy" though. Just not skintight. The advantages were tiny, and many felt that it wasn't enough of an advantage to warrant people not wearing armour.
DH mountain bike racers don't often reach very high speed, as skiiers and boarders do, the challenge is to cross the technical terrain.
If it was a pure speed event, just blasting straight down a relatively smooth piste, for example, then skinsuits would be necessary.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby nicklouse » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:31 pm

Blind Danny Johnson wrote:
plugp7 wrote:
nicklouse wrote:
CommyAdam wrote: occurring in our sport.


big assumtion that MTB is "our" sport.

not mine never has been. but i have been MTBing since before MTB happened.

How many in this thread race regularly? 1? 2?


+1 For me it's a leisure activity. OK, so you "race" your mates sometimes but for me, it's never been a sport and never will (or could) be.


It's definitely a sport:

sport   [spawrt, spohrt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.
diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.
jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.
mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

I never said it was not a sport.

Read what I wrote.

Jumping on an uplift and riding down a hill is not a sport. Riding around a trail centre is not a sport.

It is competing in events that makes it your sport.

I race cars that is my sport. I love playing about on bikes as I have done since the '70s but is is not a sport for me.
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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby Angry Bird » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:46 pm

Yet another one of them roadies been caught :roll:

You'd have thought they'd have learnt their lessons by now :lol:

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Jul 17, 2012 19:55 pm

Wow, lose my internet for a day and this thing grows and grows!
njee20 wrote:I think it's fair to say that many (and I don't mean all) are not the finely honed athletes that some of the other sports yield.

Yes, I'd agree with that.
Whilst the top guys, who are in with a chance of becoming the world cup series winner are all pushing themselves very hard, you only need to leave the top 6 or 7 riders, before you find riders who "are not strong pedallers".
Well, sorry to be brutal, but if you're a sponsored rider, then you better train, and train hard. Why the hell would you expect your sponsor and team to pay for you to go pi**ing about all over the world, when you can't even be arsed to actually train?
You're a professional, start behaving like one.
You will NEVER beat the likes of Gee or Gwinn overall if you're not strong in every aspect of DH riding, and that includes pedalling.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby DodgeT » Wed Jul 18, 2012 09:32 am

Angry Bird wrote:Yet another one of them roadies been caught :roll:

You'd have thought they'd have learnt their lessons by now :lol:



Like his response :lol: "If this analysis confirms the initial result, I will argue that I have been the victim of poisoning."

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 18, 2012 09:36 am

You're a professional, start behaving like one.


Thats the thing though, not all of them are!

You will NEVER beat the likes of Gee or Gwinn overall if you're not strong in every aspect of DH riding, and that includes pedalling.


But I couldnt agree more

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby Thewaylander » Wed Jul 18, 2012 09:38 am

nicklouse wrote:
Blind Danny Johnson wrote:
plugp7 wrote:
nicklouse wrote:
CommyAdam wrote: occurring in our sport.


big assumtion that MTB is "our" sport.

not mine never has been. but i have been MTBing since before MTB happened.

How many in this thread race regularly? 1? 2?


+1 For me it's a leisure activity. OK, so you "race" your mates sometimes but for me, it's never been a sport and never will (or could) be.


It's definitely a sport:

sport   [spawrt, spohrt] Show IPA
noun
1.
an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2.
a particular form of this, especially in the out of doors.
3.
diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
4.
jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
5.
mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

I never said it was not a sport.

Read what I wrote.

Jumping on an uplift and riding down a hill is not a sport. Riding around a trail centre is not a sport.

It is competing in events that makes it your sport.

I race cars that is my sport. I love playing about on bikes as I have done since the '70s but is is not a sport for me.


Actually acording to the defintion provided that is.

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby bluechair84 » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:04 am

I suppose it's defining sports from hobbies and games. A sport differs from a game because it is something that raises the heart rate. A game differs from a hobby because it's usually fulfils a briefer period of time and is often for more than one person. Biking is definitely a sport in my eyes, but you said 'our' sport. Whose sport is it if it's not the people's, who fund it and enjoy it? Just the professionals? Doesn't it stop being a sport to them, and more of a job?

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Re: Cheating in our sport?

Postby cooldad » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:20 am

Whatever random dictionary definitions say, a sport is something done competitively.

Most of us just play, and our bikes are toys.
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