Thoughts after 29er test ride...

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Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Mon Oct 08, 2012 09:50 am

So, i finally got to test out a 29er as i wanted to see for myself what all the fuss is about, as on paper everything a 29er does best should fit my riding style.

Overall i was impressed, however i would need to get the front end down to a sensible level as i kinda felt i needed a basket on the front. The 29er did climb really well, but could not stop thinking that if i was in a more aggressive position it would be even better.

So i guess i would like to hear from other XC guys to see how you got on? did you manage to put a - Degree stem on and that was it? have you guys raced on a 29er and felt the benefits?.

Getting back to the ride i had tho, it did feel very odd when i first took it out and must have taken about an hour to feel 'right'....after that i had some big grins on my face and only nearly face planted once when i was trying to push it through some technical gullies....

Thinking of getting one in the new year and particularly looking at the Grand Canyon AL 29 as the reviews that i have found seem to suggest that it was a very xc orientated 29er.

Sorry for the ramblings... :lol:

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby njee20 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 09:53 am

Virtually everyone I know who rides/races a 29er has a negative rise stem, a couple with -17 degree ones to get the front end lower.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:12 am

yeah i see that Ritchey do the WCS in a -17

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby njee20 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:22 am

Yep, Bontrager do them too.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby The Rookie » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:26 am

I tried the Trek Superfly Elite at the NEC demo day, certainly was quick out the blocks, rolled very fast, but even that felt slow and cumbersum on tight corners (slower and more cumbersum than my Heinz bike (link in Sig). The front end height on that felt OK to me......

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby waverider » Mon Oct 08, 2012 16:45 pm

I test rode a carve earlier this year, which I eventually bought (current steed). I felt the same about the height at the front. I ride with a spacer dropped down and a shorter stem now, which gives me that more aggressive profile, and still feels quite planted.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby VWsurfbum » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:20 am

4ndyW wrote: have you guys raced on a 29er and felt the benefits?.
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Yes, i'm roughly 10% faster now compared to 26" over the same tracks.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:34 am

Yeah i did have the front wheel drift off on me a few times, which makes sense as my weight was not over the front enough. I really wanna go out and ride it again, but this time with the correct stem setup for me.

Just remembered another benifit, gloopy muddy section were easier, wheels did not get bogged down so much :lol:

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:36 am

sorry sufbum, did not see your post there, good to hear your faster cus of it. Was that on a typical uk xc course?

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby VWsurfbum » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:48 am

4ndyW wrote:sorry sufbum, did not see your post there, good to hear your faster cus of it. Was that on a typical uk xc course?

yes, i have ridden normal XC race courses on both, also have done a lot of trail center riding on both. the 29er is much faster on both. only downside i have found (which you have found) is the tight corners or switchbacks, but even they are better now that i'm used to it.

You will find they get through mud better and genrally have more grip in corners too.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:01 am

Yeah, definitely more positives than negatives....Think it's going to be time i have a look into what one to go for. Like i mentioned before i fancy the Canyon AL 29, any other XC race orientated 29er suggestions?

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby pilch » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:25 am

VWsurfbum wrote:
4ndyW wrote:sorry sufbum, did not see your post there, good to hear your faster cus of it. Was that on a typical uk xc course?

yes, i have ridden normal XC race courses on both, also have done a lot of trail center riding on both. the 29er is much faster on both. only downside i have found (which you have found) is the tight corners or switchbacks, but even they are better now that i'm used to it.

You will find they get through mud better and genrally have more grip in corners too.


What he said ^^^

I am quicker on a 29er accross the board... for the riding I do, XC/trail centre/natural stuff

Really tight technical stuff can be noticeable, wouldn't say it was a massive issue though, you just notice the bike is not quite so agile... I don't get wedged between trees or jammed in switchbacks... TBH I get more problems through wide bars than big wheels...
A berm? were you expecting one?

29er race

29er bouncer

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby njee20 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:37 am

I'd not expect a 10% speed gain though in general, that's colossal. If a 29er genuinely offered a 10 minute advantage in an XC race you'd never see another 26" wheeled bike!

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby The Rookie » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:48 am

Some logged data I've seen suggested a 0.5-1mph improvement in average speed over a circa 20mph start point on a 26er, so 2.5-5%, not 10%!

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby njee20 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 09:51 am

That's got to be on the road, so a bit of a moot point anyway.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby VWsurfbum » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:03 am

njee20 wrote:I'd not expect a 10% speed gain though in general, that's colossal. If a 29er genuinely offered a 10 minute advantage in an XC race you'd never see another 26" wheeled bike!
Ahh but i'm no pro, so the 29er is easier to pedal, easier over terrain, better climbing for me - so over the course of a lap it adds up for me.
Now i was at the olympics and if it added up for all of them they would all use them, but it only works for a few of them so its horses for courses.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby 4ndyW » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:07 am

Thanks guys for you replies.....I'm pretty sure that i will be getting one of these big wheeled beauties. :lol: :P

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby The Rookie » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:35 am

njee20 wrote:That's got to be on the road, so a bit of a moot point anyway.

No, a known local trail circuit, fairly flat and a relatively fast surface. hence the decent averages, loop is 13 miles, inludes about 1mile of link roads.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby njee20 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:55 am

If it's a 21mph average surely it's as near as dammit a road...? Plenty of folk who can't ride 13 miles at 21mph on a road bike!

Ahh but i'm no pro, so the 29er is easier to pedal, easier over terrain, better climbing for me - so over the course of a lap it adds up for me.


Yep, wasn't suggesting that you didn't notice a 10% increase (although how much was purely wheel size?), just that you can't expect to get 10% quicker on a 29er.

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Re: Thoughts after 29er test ride...

Postby VWsurfbum » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:13 pm

njee20 wrote:
Ahh but i'm no pro, so the 29er is easier to pedal, easier over terrain, better climbing for me - so over the course of a lap it adds up for me.


Yep, wasn't suggesting that you didn't notice a 10% increase (although how much was purely wheel size?), just that you can't expect to get 10% quicker on a 29er.
Very true.
It is noticeably faster though. if i could be bothered i'd dig out the route timings.


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