Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

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Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:42 pm

Bonjourno,

So I was riding today with a mate through the New Forest, through mud and puddles that just covered anywhere we wanted to go! Anyway, about an hour into it and we were coming down a nice gradual slope back onto the main road in which we needed to follow for a while to get home..

About 30 metres from the road, and travelling at some speed I decided it was time to stop and used the brakes lightly to come to a slow stop.. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and there was nothing coming from the brakes!

Not an ideal situation but I managed to avoid a car and hop my way onto the road to then slowly come to a stop..

I tried to tighten my brakes with the adjusters on the levers however only the front one made any difference but was still very slow to bring me to a stop..

Does anybody know what this could be? Unfortunately I'm not too savvy on the old mechanics of a disk break so it really could be something simple which I'm overlooking..

Thanks!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby nicklouse » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:53 pm

and the brakes are ?

got any pads left?
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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:56 pm

So is the lever coming back to the bar or is it firm and just not braking (breaking is what may happen when the brakes don't work).

Hydraulic or cable?

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:58 pm

Cable Disks..

The level comes all the way to the bar and there is the very very slightest amount of friction on the disks.. It's strange because it was only today that it's been like that, and I don't think it has been declining in efficiency, more a sudden drop!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:00 pm

Probably worn the pads down due to running in mud, the pad moves very little (its this mechanical advantage that makes them work, so you need to adjust them as stated in the manufacturers literature....most allow you to adjust both pads via a thumbwheel or allen key driven wheel, some you adjust via the cable tension.

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby nicklouse » Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:00 pm

so any pads left?
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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:03 pm

The Beginner wrote:Probably worn the pads down due to running in mud, the pad moves very little (its this mechanical advantage that makes them work, so you need to adjust them as stated in the manufacturers literature....most allow you to adjust both pads via a thumbwheel or allen key driven wheel, some you adjust via the cable tension.


Thanks for that, will have a little look and see what I can fiddle with..

Nick, not sure at the moment.. I had a little look online and it says thats the main reason for this kind of thing, so I'm guessing theres minimal pad left

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:06 pm

I would guess the pads will be fine, from nearly new the lever will come back to the bar long before the pads are worn out, in fact on my commuter I have adjusted the calipers 4 times and the pads still look barely worn.

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sat Oct 06, 2012 17:23 pm

The Beginner wrote:I would guess the pads will be fine, from nearly new the lever will come back to the bar long before the pads are worn out, in fact on my commuter I have adjusted the calipers 4 times and the pads still look barely worn.


Google fails me for the first time! Okay, well I'll have a quick look on YouTube/Google as to how to go about it and give it a go tomorrow..

Thanks again..


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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:14 am

The Beginner wrote:What callipers?


Sorry for the late response.. The callipers are TekTro IOX..

I had a little look at what actually moves when the brakes are pulled and it seems that only one side of the pad moves, and it pushed the disc against the other pads to add extra friction.. I don't know if this is how it's supposed to be or whether both are supposed to grab each side of the disc like a V brake on the rim?

Extra info would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:46 pm

Only one side moves, you adjust the non moving side in until it is just off the disc (wind it in until it starts to rub then just back off a fraction) for best effect, also adjust the moving side in as well!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sun Oct 07, 2012 16:22 pm

The Beginner wrote:Only one side moves, you adjust the non moving side in until it is just off the disc (wind it in until it starts to rub then just back off a fraction) for best effect, also adjust the moving side in as well!


Thanks for that, do you know if it'll be a screw(or hex key) that sorts this on my type of calliper? Also where this screw might be located? :lol:

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby stubs » Sun Oct 07, 2012 16:57 pm

Tektro manuals about halfway down the page.

http://www.tektro.com/_english/03_support/01_download.php
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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Sun Oct 07, 2012 19:26 pm

stubs wrote:Tektro manuals about halfway down the page.

http://www.tektro.com/_english/03_support/01_download.php


So I'm looking for a big bolt! Haha, nah I know the one I need now! Thanks very much for that!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:12 pm

So yesterday I manager to figure out the adjustments and got them all to as close to ideal as possible.. Unfortunately this doesnt seem to have made much of a difference.. I think i'm going to take te bike in and get them looked at or pads replaced at the lbs!

Thanks for all your help though

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:14 pm

Do the levers still come back to the bars? If so you've not adjusted it enough!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:34 pm

The levers come back just over half way, I didnt what I was told by adjusting till it rubs then a little bit back.. When the pads are completely engaged on the disc it still hardly works.. Im guessing it must be the pads!

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby The Rookie » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:46 pm

Possibly, but it's best to be really aggresive with your adjustment, also it's possible the pads just need to bed in again.

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Re: Sudden loss of brakes! (disk brakes)

Postby J_asonR » Wed Oct 10, 2012 18:46 pm

The Beginner wrote:Possibly, but it's best to be really aggresive with your adjustment, also it's possible the pads just need to bed in again.


Thanks for your help.


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