Carrera Kraken - with new wheels 25/11/2014 (page 6) - 9.6Kg

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby mrmonkfinger » Thu Jan 10, 2013 08:53 am

FWIW there are some laserdisc lite hubs on ebay now for ~£60, and CRC are clearing out laserdisc xc rims for £9 each. £20 for a full set of ACI alpina spokes on ebay - that would come in around 1650g total. DIY build and you're looking at around £100 total.

Or if you don't rate the WTB hubs, there's always people selling novatec D711/712 hubsets (very light) for around £80 on ebay.

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby The Rookie » Thu Jan 10, 2013 09:20 am

Thanks for the heads up, not tried wheelbuilding yet.....always a first time I guess!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby mrmonkfinger » Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:25 am

Take it slow, follow a good guide, its relatively straightforward.

Its a good skill to have as you're then open to buying partly knackered wheels to save a good hub + set of spokes, which should appeal to your budget concious nature.

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby GT-Arrowhead » Fri Feb 15, 2013 22:30 pm

Damn thats nice! love the panaracer fire on there :D i see your crank now, thats awesome. thanks for the info:)


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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby kevinharley » Tue Mar 26, 2013 14:07 pm

You could always convert to SS ... that'd save a huge chunk of weight, and you'd have to fork out only peanuts!

I have a Boardman Team hardtail (already a decently light bike) and went SS last autumn, and genuinely it was the best cycling-related thing I've done. I ride with 2 mates who've been SS for years, and another mate followed me a few weeks later ... he's a convert too! I like the extra lightness, the more direct power transfer, the greater chuckability of the bike, and the subconscious feeling that you've not got a load of gear bouncing around on the back waiting to be snagged by a rock or a branch.

I don't know what the terrain is like round where you live ... I'm in Leeds, and most of my riding is local trails in and around north Leeds ... its not exactly flat, but I've found nearly all of it rideable. I've found that you have to adopt a slightly different approach to uphills, particularly rooty / rocky ones ... you have to carry more momentum into the bottom of the climb, and climb more out of the saddle (but hover closely over it so you can sit down and put the weight back over the rear wheel if it starts to slide). There are a couple of climbs that I can't do now (yet!) which I used to be able to granny up in before, but there are other climbs that I'm doing quicker, because you have to keep the momentum going to get to the top! The other downside is pedalling like a hamster down hill, and on the inevitable road sections linking the trails!

Oh, and although my mates who have gone SS also have other bikes (with gears, and rear suspension) for bigger terrain, like you, I'm on a budget and only have the one (mountain) bike. The gears (only at the back) are going back on for a trip to Wales in 2 weeks, but I'll probably take them off again as soon as I come back .. until we go to the Lakes in the summer.

I've not weighed the components I took off ... but I bet the saving is much more than you'd get for £200 wheels!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby njee20 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 21:48 pm

But it massively compromises the bike. Not ideal for everyone by any stretch!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby Greer_ » Tue Mar 26, 2013 22:16 pm

njee20 wrote:But it massively compromises the bike. Not ideal for everyone by any stretch!


Was thinking the same thing, couldn't think of a nice way to put it! Some things are worth the added weight!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 01/01/2013 - sub 11Kg

Postby The Rookie » Wed Mar 27, 2013 09:09 am

My legs won't cope with SS, if I try it I'll chuck some bits in an old bike first!

My wheels will have cost about £100 and will come in at about 1670g with the 2 Ryde (nee Rigida) rims I've just bought (sold my Crossrides for just over £60), with folding tyres both ends that would put me on the cusp of 10Kg.

Not sure how SS adds directness, fixed maybe, not SS!

Losing the rear gears would take off 640g in gear changing plus cassette, and 40g of inner bash guard then I'd ad a tensioner and SS conversion and shed maybe 30g of chain, so net saving of about 500-550g, Remembering that my bike is probably lighter now than your SS team anyway (unless it's significantly modified!).

I ride with a number of SSers, and I keep getting to the tops of hills ahead of them, especially in slippery conditions where I can spin all the way to the top with the front wheel just skipping the ground, as soon as they stand up they wheelspin to a halt!

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Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby The Rookie » Sun Jun 23, 2013 07:47 am

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So the Ryde Edge rims are on, 1718g for the wheelset now (a little heavier than I was hoping for coutesy of the plain gauge spokes that were on there), that with a few other tweaks here and there and my summer tyres has dropped the weight to 10328g now, could be 130g lower if I had a Ron on the back as well!
Just have a better headset to go on (bits merged from Scott and Marin OE headsets) now which will drop me under the 10.3kg mark - then I'll be gunning for 10kg (in summer trim at least!).
Also doubled the value of the bike with a Hope QR seatpost clamp, not my first choice but the shaped bush on mine split and a friend had this one going spare - at least it's black!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby njee20 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 09:34 am

Change to a allen bolt seat clamp, significantly lighter!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby The Rookie » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:14 am

I could, and it would, also less conveniant! I often change saddle height for the terrain, so I'll stick with a QR, an AEST would save 22g anyway!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby njee20 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 17:31 pm

Grips and cables? Quaxar outer is light, not silly money either. They look like normal rubber grips too?

Isn't that a Hayes front rotor too?

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby The Rookie » Sun Jun 23, 2013 22:31 pm

Hayes front disc yes, a little heavier than the alligator I run on the rear (110 v 72g) but at the moment I'm happy with the 38g penalty for a little more heat capacity, I did have a 'gator on the front and it got a bit hot a couple of times.

Grips are Renthal Kevlar, I'm toying with going foam which will save me 50g, but I won these and they are still as new and they are a really nice grip - could go on my retro though as the Giant grips on that are FUBARed!

Not really considerd Quaxar, have looked into it now, only Uk source is £12.49 for 2metres, shame when I only need about 60cm, my current outers weigh 16g, so potential saving is about 6g, I'll get Quaxar when I need to replce them!

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby The Rookie » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:05 am

OK decided to try some Carboncycles foam grips (just £4.79!) it was that or KCNC (aka Tritec or Avenir) which i have on my commuter, but the CC ones look a bit fatter, with the headset that will put me at about 10.2Kg....

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby WindyG » Fri Jul 05, 2013 20:35 pm

Glad I switched to foam grips, feel much better than any others I had tried plus a decent weight saving for very little money, my Ritchey ones have had some real abuse and are hardly wearing other than a chunk out the end of one when I clipped a tree during a race.

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby The Rookie » Fri Jul 05, 2013 20:49 pm

Well I have some Exotic carbon foam grips on, the foam cells are much larger than the KCNC/Avenir/Pork rings and they are more squishy, one short ride so far (the daughter had an asthma attack) and they survived that OK. Picked up some CF bars, so will add a new post when I have the bars and headset on as well as a lighter Gamut outer bash and will be at circa 10.1-10.15Kg

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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby Lewis A » Wed Jul 24, 2013 09:44 am

You could always go fixie, lose gears and a brake. ;) do fixie mtb even exist? :lol:
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Re: Upgraded Karrera Kraken - 23/06/2013 (page 3) - 10.3Kg

Postby Lewis A » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:16 pm

Madmen. Same for fixie riders too though...
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