Which Full Suspension

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby oodboo » Sat Nov 03, 2012 08:54 am

I don't think you've mentioned the type of riding you're planning on using the bike for. That generally helps when asking for recomendations.
If it's trail centre stuff then I wouldn't recomend the Enduro.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby lawman » Sat Nov 03, 2012 09:47 am

Sounds like an enduro is way too much bike for the OP, and the enduro owner failed to mention that new sram stuff falls apart after 5 minutes and avid brakes are also pretty poor reliability wise.

Not ridden one, but the Norco Sight has had great reviews, on paper it looks spot on.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby kernowhills » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:11 am

dhooper7 wrote:I've got a 2011 Enduro Comp. Picked it up in March for £1800 because the 2012 stuff had recently come out.
The new Enduro Comp has Fox 32 forks up front but arguably is the same everywhere else.
I love the SRAM drivetrain, always had Shimano in the past but SRAM is great, smooth gear changing. The Avid brakes are really sharp. Great tyres, not a single puncture in 6 months!
I'd would really have loved the next model up but it was out of my price range.

Specialized provide a lifetime warranty on their frames and also have a crash replacement service should you wrap it round a tree.

Thanks for the info I will check out the enduro and see if I can find a 2012 large as they should be reduced hopefully.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby itguy2 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:25 am

Get the zesty 514 - amazing bike.

Currently 2499 at Rutland cycles (where I bought mine from).

Climes like a mountain goat, nice and light (for a full sus). Proper carbon frame inc rear, decent formula brakes.

The geometry gives great confidence when pushing on downhill too, minimal pedal bob and the lockouts on both front and rear make it great for short road stints too.

Couldn't be more happy with mine - plus everyone comments on how decent looking it is in cool gloss black and green.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby kernowhills » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:57 am

oodboo wrote:I don't think you've mentioned the type of riding you're planning on using the bike for. That generally helps when asking for recomendations.
If it's trail centre stuff then I wouldn't recomend the Enduro.

I will be using the bike for all sorts of riding, cross country, woodland tracks which have lots of rooted areas up and down with steep downhill parts a local quarry with drop offs and jumps and trails.
I do like the Zesty 514 for weight and carbon frame etc, I like the Scott for carbon frame (weight) and able to lock both front and back suspension at different travel, like the Cannondale from reviews and the way the rear suspension works would like a Jekyll 1 but to pricey for me!

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby oodboo » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:06 pm

lawman wrote:Sounds like an enduro is way too much bike for the OP, and the enduro owner failed to mention that new sram stuff falls apart after 5 minutes and avid brakes are also pretty poor reliability wise.

How do you figure that without any comment as to the type of riding he intends to do?

I agree with the comments about the SRAM stuff though. I have a 2010 enduro comp and I swapped everything to Shimano XT. With mine I feel like it's too much bike for the riding I do and if I could go back to when I bought it I'd go for the stumpy instead. Now though I really want a transition bandit, never tried one so that's just based on reviews and stuff. The enduro is good through, I just dont use it to its potential.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby Stu Coops » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:15 pm

Had my Zesty 514 for 2 yrs and highly recommend it i also have a Giant Trance X1 which is as good in every way my point is for the price range your spoiled for choice.

Basically any bike in this price range are going to be pretty much as good as each other in slightly different ways but all will perform really well and for the riding you do anything from 120mm - 140mm is spot on, what you need to do is pick the one that fits you best even better if you can test ride them all which is difficult.

Looks wise i don't think the Zesty can be beaten but that's just personal opinion but the look of the bike is important when ya spending big bucks or is that just me :roll:
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby cooldad » Sat Nov 03, 2012 14:50 pm

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby kernowhills » Sat Nov 03, 2012 15:29 pm

If this is what happens on this forum then it's very sad, I wish I never posted my question!!
I would still like to say thanks to all those that have posted useful information.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby cooldad » Sat Nov 03, 2012 15:45 pm

There was nothing wrong with your question, but the more info you give, the more useful comments you will get back.
Very few people will have ridden all of those bikes, let alone owned them, but by posting links, so people can see relative spec and prices, and knowing what type of riding you do, allows them to at least comment on the spec, any potential shortcomings and suggest alternatives that you may not have considered.
So far what you really have, apart from benpinnick and njee, are people saying I have an xxx and it's awesome. Which makes sense because people rarely say I have an xxx and it's rubbish.
I wouldn't get too hung up on the silly off topic remarks - no one here is really real, being the internet.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby kernowhills » Sat Nov 03, 2012 16:07 pm

Ok, below is the spec of the 3 bikes I was looking at so can anybody tell me what they think? Sorry the list is long!!

Cannondale Jekyll 3
Model Year

(2012)


Frame

Jekyll, 150/90mm, SmartFormed Alloy, BB30, ISCG03, 1.5 Si head tube

Rear Shock

Fox DYAD RT2 dual shock 150/90mm

Forks

Fox 32 Talas RL w/Custom Lockout Threshold, 150mm, 15QR thru axle, 1.5"

Rear Derailleur

Shimano XT

Front Derailleur

SRAM X7, direct mount

Shifters

Shimano SLX

Chainset

SRAM S1400, BB30, 44/33/22

Bottom Bracket

SRAM BB30

Chain

KMC X10, 10-speed

Freewheel

Shimano HG-62, 11-36, 10-speed

Headset

Tange Seiki 1.5", Integrated

Stem

Cannondale C1, 1.5", 31.8, 5 deg.

Handlebars

Cannondale C2 riser, 680x20mm, 2014 alloy

Front Brake

Avid Elixir 7, 180mm

Rear Brake

Avid Elixir 7, 180mm

Brake Levers

Avid Elixir 7

Rims

SunRingle Inferno25, 32 hole

Front Hub

Formula, 15mm front,

Rear Hub

Sun Ringle Dirty Flea 142x12mm rear

Spokes

DT Swiss Champion

Tyres

Schwalbe Hans Dampf Snakeskin Trailstar, 2.35" tubeless ready

Saddle

Cannondale Stage CrMo

Seatpost

Cannondale C2, 31.6x350mm

Grips

Cannondale alloy locking grips w/closed end

Miscellaneous

High Pressure Shock Pump, DYAD Remote Lever, Syntace X-12 142 mm rear axle


CANNONDALE Jekyll Alloy 3

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Scott Genius 30

PRODUCT MODEL YEAR

(2012)


Frame

Genius Carbon Mainframe / HMF net
IMP4 technology / Alloy 6061 DB swingarm
with replaceable hanger / sealed aircraft
bearings / 150mm rear travel
Rear Shock: Scott Equalizer 2
3 Modus / Lockout-Traction-Full travel
sag indicator / dual reb. Adj.

Forks

Fox 32 Talas RL
lockout & reb. A. / 2 Travel position
150 - 120mm travel
Remote System: Scott Twinloc Remote Lever / front &
rear lockout activate by one lever
Travel adjust: Lockout - 95 - 150mm

Rear Derailleur

SRAM X9 long cage
30 Speed

Front Derailleur

SRAM X7 / DM S3 / dual pull

Shifters

SRAM X7 Trigger
adjustable clamp

Chainset

SRAM X9 3.3
GXP
44Ax33Ax22A T

Bottom Bracket

SRAM GXP Cartridge / shell 73mm&E DM

Chain

SRAM PC 1031

Freewheel/cassette

SRAM PG 1050
11-36 T

Headset

Ritchey Pro 1 1/8"
semi integrated 44/50mm

Stem

Scott MC pro
4 bolt Clamp / OS
1-1/8" / 6° angle

Handlebars

Scott Pilot 20 Pro / 2014 Alloy
20mm rise / OS / 680mm
Scott lockon grips

Front Brake

Avid Elixir 7
180mm HS1 Rotor

Rear Brake

Avid Elixir 7
180mm HS1 Rotor

Brake Levers

Avid Elixir 7

Front Hub

DT Swiss XR35 Disc IT / RWS QR

Rear Hub

DT Swiss XR35 Disc IT / RWS QR

Spokes

DT Swiss Champion Black 1.8mm

Tyres

Schwalbe Nobby Nic EVO
26 x 2.25 / 67 EPI Kevlar Bead
Pace Star compound / Tubeless ready

Saddle

Selle Italy Team Edition / FEC rails

Seatpost

Scott RC 03-60 / 34.9mm

Pedals

Shimano PD-M520




Lapierre Zesty 514


PRODUCT MODEL YEAR

(2012)
PRODUCT OPTIONS

42cm ,
46cm ,
50cm ,
54cm

Frame

ZESTY 514 Full Carbon OST+® 140mm Tapered HeadTube
Rear Shock: FOX Float RP2 HV 200 for OST+®

Forks

ROCK SHOX Revelation RL140 Tapered Black 15mm Thru axle

Rear Derailleur

SHIMANO XT M780 SGSL 10 speeds

Front Derailleur

SHIMANO SLX FDM660E6X 10 speeds

Shifters

SHIMANO SLX

Chainset

SHIMANO FC-M660 24x32x42 Black / 170mm : size 42 • 175mm : size 46/50/54

Bottom Bracket

SHIMANO BB7141A

Freewheel

SHIMANO Deore CS-HG62-10 11x36 10 speeds

Headset

Alloy Semi-Integrated Cartridge Tapered

Stem

LAPIERRE AMR 31.8x80mm 2012

Handlebars

LAPIERRE Comp 31.8 30x680mm 2012

Front Brake

FORMULA RX / DISC FORMULA RX IS180 Black/Green + Speedlock

Rear Brake

FORMULA RX / DISC FORMULA RX IS180 Black/Green + Speedlock

Rims

MAVIC Crossride Disc Black 15mm / MAVIC Crossride Disc Black 9x135

Tyres

CONTINENTAL Mountain King II TS 26x2.4 / CONTINENTAL X King TS 26x2.2

Saddle

FIZIK Gobi XM Mg Black/Green 2012

Seatpost

LAPIERRE XC Pro 31.6x350mm 2012

Miscellaneous

Weight : 12.1 Kg. (T.46 sans pédales)

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby kernowhills » Sat Nov 03, 2012 16:12 pm

Sorry best price for the Scott I've seen is £2149 RRP £3349

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby oodboo » Sat Nov 03, 2012 16:51 pm

Zesty for me, I'd be put off the others for their pull shocks. Shimano groupset and full carbon frame also add to the zesty's appeal.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby lawman » Sat Nov 03, 2012 17:24 pm

oodboo wrote:
lawman wrote:Sounds like an enduro is way too much bike for the OP, and the enduro owner failed to mention that new sram stuff falls apart after 5 minutes and avid brakes are also pretty poor reliability wise.

How do you figure that without any comment as to the type of riding he intends to do?

I agree with the comments about the SRAM stuff though. I have a 2010 enduro comp and I swapped everything to Shimano XT. With mine I feel like it's too much bike for the riding I do and if I could go back to when I bought it I'd go for the stumpy instead. Now though I really want a transition bandit, never tried one so that's just based on reviews and stuff. The enduro is good through, I just dont use it to its potential.


Purely on the type of bike the OP's looking at. If he felt the riding he does required the extra travel and beefiness of an enduro/spicy etc, then he would be looking at those over the bikes mentioned.

IMO best for the OP would be the zesty or maybe the Norco sight I mentioned previously. I also have never liked the pullshocks, they are a royal pain to setup, and the performance is always a compromise towards climbing and the downhill performance always suffers.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby cooldad » Sat Nov 03, 2012 17:25 pm

I agree. Simpler is better, especially when you crash/get gunked up with crud. Shimano and the RS front end plus Formula brakes also appeal more.
The Zesty and Scott are the only two of the three I've actually ridden and the Zesty made even me at least feel like I was going fast.
The Scott was just too confusing - the person who owned it had just got it and was clueless - a couple of us tried setting it up, but took half a ride before we realised we were idiots and the shock pulled, not pushed - poor person was riding with no travel.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby benpinnick » Sat Nov 03, 2012 17:59 pm

Zesty for me too. I prefer the spec of the bike, and the fact it doesn't use crazy OEM shocks. Its a big investment, I prefer it where I can guarantee a longevity and upgrade path.
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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby stevieboy308 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 18:35 pm

although i've not ridden one, a few of my mates have had zesty's, some loved them, some not so much, one hated his and he was quite a slower rider on it, he also said he didn't like the way it jumped compared to an orange 5 he'd previously hired.

so if that's the one you decide on, make sure you get a proper test ride on one

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby Kirklet » Sat Nov 03, 2012 19:22 pm

cooldad wrote:
Kirklet wrote:uptight arseholes

Kirklet wrote:unhelpful bell ends like you

Kirklet wrote:Cooldad, you're a numpty, I hope the puncture fairy visits you frequently.....

You are my new heroic keyboard warrior.
May I suggest counselling?


Look, I know it hurts when people think you're a twonk but I can tell as our defender of forum etiquette this wont have been a one off for you. Instead of being a smart ars*, just try simply helping in future. It's really that simple! ;-)

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby Chunkers1980 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 19:32 pm

You're odd. You just winge.

Forum etiquette would say do a little work yourself with the hope if getting more out as you do not know. You've just been abusive and posted the spec that was to be frank TLDR.

You have a massive budget, there is loads if choice out there. Buy a DH rig.

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Re: Which Full Suspension

Postby cooldad » Sat Nov 03, 2012 19:40 pm

Chunkers1980 wrote:You're odd. You just winge.

Forum etiquette would say do a little work yourself with the hope if getting more out as you do not know. You've just been abusive and posted the spec that was to be frank TLDR.

You have a massive budget, there is loads if choice out there. Buy a DH rig.

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