Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

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Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby Giraffoto » Mon Nov 12, 2012 08:30 am

This is for a future project. I've searched and found a couple of people who say they'd prefer the Tesla to the Hope, can anyone say exactly why? Is the shell tougher, are the bearings better/stronger/more reliable, is the freehub quieter, is the take-up quicker? Is either hub lighter than the other?
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby Thelonegroover » Mon Nov 12, 2012 08:51 am

As far as I know, anything will be quieter than Hope hubs. Not sure about the other things.
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby warpcow » Mon Nov 12, 2012 09:04 am

On paper it's lighter (by a few grams), has more POE (and is probably quieter), and the bearings are probably about the same. At the price though I'd be tempted to pay the premium for Hope's customer service. I've been willing to accept some thing from Superstar because the parts are so cheap. I'm not sure I'd be so willing to forgive when they start pricing themselves amongst the bigger players.

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby benpinnick » Mon Nov 12, 2012 09:33 am

The main difference (in fact the only real difference you'll ever notice) is that the Tesla has a 60*2 point ratchet, giving a 3 degree pickup, while the hope has a 24 point ratchet, so a 15 degree pickup. The faster pickup is nice, but its not the be all and end all for sure. Otherwise my Tesla (I've had once since release) has been flawless; seems well built and well sealed, runs smooth, resists regular abuse and poor (read no) maintenance, but then so has every hope hub I've ever owned...
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby Giraffoto » Mon Nov 12, 2012 09:50 am

warpcow wrote: has more POE


Excuse my ignorance, what is or are POE?
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby benpinnick » Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:03 am

Points of enagagement, i.e. the number of teeth in the freehub, which controls how far the freehub must turn before it picks up and you start driving the rear wheel.
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby Cat With No Tail » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:11 am

I'd not say the Tesla is quieter than a hope. Completely different sound though. The hope clicks, but the Tesla and the Trizoid buzz (again, this is a result of the faster pickup). Worth noting though that if the sound bothers you, both hubs can be packed out with grease to hush them up.

As said above, I'd not be overly concerned about durability on either a Hope, or a Superstar hub. The weight is pretty much identical, they can both be had in a range of colours. IME, both companies offer very good customer service/returns procedures. The main differences come in the shape of
i. Faster engagement on the Superstars
ii. Much cheaper price on the Superstars
iii. Much cheaper spares on the Superstars (handy if you need to swap dropout sizes, or replace the alloy freehub for a steel one for example).

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby benpinnick » Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:15 am

The Tesla sounds like a horny Cricket...
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby mrmonkfinger » Tue Nov 13, 2012 09:13 am

warpcow wrote:the bearings are probably about the same.


Anyone know what bearings the Tesla's come with? Manufacturer, I mean.

I have some nice Novatecs on a roadie that have IKO bearings, which are fairly good, but I'm not 100% sure the Tesla is manufactured by Novatec.

IIRC Hope use INA.

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby benpinnick » Tue Nov 13, 2012 09:30 am

Teslas run SKF bearings
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby mrmonkfinger » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:04 am

benpinnick wrote:Teslas run SKF bearings


Cheers dude

Can't beat SKFs - Teslas sound like a cracking deal.

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby solitone » Tue Jan 15, 2013 16:47 pm

Cat With No Tail wrote:I'd not say the Tesla is quieter than a hope. Completely different sound though. The hope clicks, but the Tesla and the Trizoid buzz (again, this is a result of the faster pickup). Worth noting though that if the sound bothers you, both hubs can be packed out with grease to hush them up.


Where would I grease it?

I can't bother a hub sounding like a horny cricket.. :evil: The noise issue is the only thing keeping me from buying the Tesla at the moment..

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby ddraver » Tue Jan 15, 2013 16:51 pm

^In the freehub, between the pawls and the teeth....

I ve not had them for a long time yet, but I couldnt really tell the difference (apart from Pickup) between my old Hope Wheels and my new Superstar (superleggera) hubs if I'm honest.
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby MDobs » Tue Jan 15, 2013 18:17 pm

Slightly off topic, but has any one used the Switch EVO and Tesla hubs, and how much difference have people noticed between them?

Looking at the Stans superdeal and it's £110 cheaper than the equivalent custom Tesla build.

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 23:43 pm

ddraver wrote:^In the freehub, between the pawls and the teeth....

I ve not had them for a long time yet, but I couldnt really tell the difference (apart from Pickup) between my old Hope Wheels and my new Superstar (superleggera) hubs if I'm honest.


After less than 4 months and a few hundred miles, the bearings in my Superleggera's died (im pushing superstar for compensation) and the new (higherquality)bearings packed out with grease - unfortunately the buzz from the engagement (which I loved) has all but gone :(

Overall my superstar wheel set has been great.
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby Cat With No Tail » Wed Jan 16, 2013 08:06 am

paulneenan76 wrote:
ddraver wrote:^In the freehub, between the pawls and the teeth....

I ve not had them for a long time yet, but I couldnt really tell the difference (apart from Pickup) between my old Hope Wheels and my new Superstar (superleggera) hubs if I'm honest.


After less than 4 months and a few hundred miles, the bearings in my Superleggera's died (im pushing superstar for compensation) and the new (higherquality)bearings packed out with grease - unfortunately the buzz from the engagement (which I loved) has all but gone :(

Overall my superstar wheel set has been great.


It can happen. Also depends what weather you've been riding in. Not sure why you think SS should compensate you.

As for your new bearings. They should be full of grease anyway. This wont have any effect on the noise the hubs make though. It's the engagement of the pawls that makes the noise, not the bearings. Sounds like you've got grease outside the bearings on the pawls. This will probably wash out over time anyway.

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 16, 2013 08:44 am

No different from my Hopes tbh Paul - I think it's kind of accepted that unless you buy absurdly expensive hubs then you re better off putting 20 squids aside to buy some proper bearings when the OEM ones wear out...
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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby solitone » Wed Jan 16, 2013 09:11 am

ddraver wrote:^In the freehub, between the pawls and the teeth....

Cat With No Tail wrote:It's the engagement of the pawls that makes the noise, not the bearings.


If I understand it right, you can access the freehub and grease the pawls and teeth?

I ask as I've never done this yet.

And doesn't grease make dust stick to the freehub?

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby mrmonkfinger » Wed Jan 16, 2013 09:25 am

solitone wrote:And doesn't grease make dust stick to the freehub?


you realise the pawls are on the inside of the hub, right?

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Re: Hope Pro II vs. Superstar Tesla Hubs?

Postby solitone » Wed Jan 16, 2013 09:32 am

mrmonkfinger wrote:
solitone wrote:And doesn't grease make dust stick to the freehub?

you realise the pawls are on the inside of the hub, right?


Yes, but doesn't some dust enter inside the freehub? Is the freehub completely sealed?


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