£500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

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£500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Mon Jan 07, 2013 14:50 pm

Hi all,

I know this is an all too common thread asking for the same old advice - but I'm struggling because I'm looking in the 2nd hand market which means there's so much choice out there that even after spending a lot of time on this - I'm still totally lost :?

I'll have £500 to spend on a hardtail next month.
I'm happy to go as old as 2007 if it's worth it and in good condition.

I mainly do singletrack XC but I also need the bike to be decent enough for (novice) freeride/downhill which I do a few times a year when I can get away.
I'm 6' and 14 stone.

A decent quality lightweight frame with good quality forks are the most important things to me. Other components can be upgraded over time.

I do actually have a retro '99 FSR Enduro that I have just put a whole new Deore gear / chain set on - so if you have suggestions for just a frame and forks then I could always re-use the bits from my FSR.

Budget for frame & forks would have to be no more than £400. The leftover £100 would go towards bars, seat, etc.
Otherwise, like I said - £500 for complete bike.

Thanks :D

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby supersonic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 14:54 pm

There are no bikes that are going to cover the range of XC to DH/FR at this price - they rarely exist at any price, and are usually a compromise. Especially something light.

I'd reassess my needs and riding.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Mon Jan 07, 2013 15:18 pm

Thanks. I know what you're saying... but even if I'm looking at a 5 or 6 year old frame & forks?

Would something like this 2nd hand Cube Ltd Pro go sdome way to cover the range I need?
http://www.gumtree.com/p/for-sale/cube- ... 1005829401

I know it's not for DH/FR - but like I said I am a novice so won't be riding it that hard.

Maybe after a couple more years riding I'll start to have more specific needs - but for the time being the riding I do is varied.
I've lived with this ageing FSR for a while now and feel like it's time for a change. I may as well make an informed (as possible) decision.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby supersonic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 15:21 pm

Cube LTD is a racy XC bike - looking at very small drops with a bike like that, and will be very nervous on the downs! Fine if you want to plod down slowly, but I really don't recommend using it for anything but XC and trail riding!

You might be able to get more of a 'middle of the road' type of bike ie a hardtail with longer forks and slacker geometry. This will handle some milder 'extreme' stuff, but would be heavier and more sluggish for the XC. Something like an OnOne 456.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Mon Jan 07, 2013 18:40 pm

Thanks again!
That's definitely one to consider - although the BikeRadar review didn't look at it favourably because of the weight and harsh ride. Although, as you implied... I can't have everything for my budget ;)

So, do you think I should be looking for something with similar geometry to the 465?
What are the main measurements I should look at - like wheelbase, head angle, ...?

I don't ever do big jumps (unless by mistake!) - usually just 4 or 5' - so would 120mm forks be about right for me?

Sorry about all the questions. Hopefully this will help me narrow the choice down to a few specific options.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby supersonic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 18:49 pm

The 456 comes in 3 guises, carbon, and two steel versions.

Geometry is a personal thing, but those who like aggressive, gravity oriented riding prefer slacker (67 degrees and less) and long forks. However, while this provides stability on the downs, it can feel a bit sluggish for xc.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Tue Jan 08, 2013 16:02 pm

Your comment above about re-assesing my needs got me thinking...

Basically, the blue run at Llandegla sums up the most extreme riding I would do. No massive jumps or anything like that.
This vid gives a pretty good perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmURxAoyFWc

The reason I was thinking hardtail is because firslty I'll also be out doing regular XC routes and secondly because it's cheaper.

So, with the above in mind...
1) Is a hardtail still the best option? You don't see many hardtails doing that blue route from what I recall.
2) Seeing as the amount of DH/FR I'll do is absolutely minimal - should I rather look at a decent XC bike and not necessarily something with slack geometry?

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby EH_Rob » Tue Jan 08, 2013 16:25 pm

You would be fine on that Cube for doing this, or any XC-oriented bike.

If Llandegla Blue is the most extreme riding you will do, the amount of FR/DH you will do is more or less zero - those disciplines generally involve steeper, rougher, more demanding tracks with bigger obstacles, hence the need for a specific type of bike to tackle them.

As has already been said, XC bikes are lighter bikes that climb well, but won't inspire as much confidence on the steeper downs. Slacker bikes tend to be a bit burlier, and that combined with their geometry means they won't climb quite as well in identical circumstances, but are more stable on the downs.

I'd check out the Voodoos and Boardmans at Halfords. Boardman more XC, Voodoo a little burlier. Not sure of prices though.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Tue Jan 08, 2013 16:41 pm

Thanks Rob!

Any suggestions for bikes on the second-hand market?
I'd go as old as 2007... or 2006 if it was really worth it.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby cooldad » Tue Jan 08, 2013 17:03 pm

The second hand market is huge - there must be millions out there. Really you need to find things you like and ask for advice on those.
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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby EH_Rob » Tue Jan 08, 2013 17:19 pm

Cooldad is right, you're going to have to dive in yourself. Check out Pinkbike and the classifieds on here for an idea of what's available, and don't be afraid to haggle (or ask here for advice - although 'what's it worth' questions aren't allowed). I'd suggest you're looking for a hardtail, with 100 or 120mm forks. Frame material will probably be aluminium (most are) but may be steel. You're always better off viewing the bike before agreeing to buy it obviously.

Some bargains to be had on ebay too, but be careful.

That said, Voodoos and Rockriders (from Decathlon) are exceptionally good value bikes brand new. You also get a warranty, and you'll probably find that they'll do what you want them to, possibly at the expense of not being as blingy as some bikes.

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Tue Jan 08, 2013 17:28 pm

Ok thanks - I'll keep looking.

At least now I'm more confident that a HT will suite my needs. I also have a better idea of forks & geometry so that will help me massively.

Thanks again!

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby DanDax1990 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 22:52 pm

Voodoo Hoodoo would be great for what you want and you can get one new in budget as far as I remember?

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby cooldad » Tue Jan 08, 2013 23:25 pm

That would be a sensible choice.
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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby Woodmonkey » Wed Jan 09, 2013 07:58 am

i'd be wary of going second hand when you can get a brand new bike with decent spec for you're budget that would more than suit you're riding. i've had the hoodoo for 18 months and i love it.
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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby The Rookie » Wed Jan 09, 2013 08:27 am

Second hand can give a big saving on a quality bike, but you need to know what your looking at, the Hoodoo is good, but it's quite heavy although it has some nice touches.

Suggesting second hand buys is pointless, the OP needs to find some he's interested in and post for advice, 'how much is it worth' questions are not allowed, but 'is this bike worth this much' are.....

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby ZeeSaffa » Wed Jan 09, 2013 23:50 pm

Thanks again.
Surely for about £500 i could build something decent based on the On-One 456 (or Ragley) frame. I can use the new Deore/XT groupset that I've just put on my FSR to keep the cost down.
The more I look at them - the more I like the look of those old school looking steel frames 8)


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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby Polf » Thu Jan 10, 2013 06:13 am

It just so happens that I have a Cube Ltd 2012 for sale. Looking at £500 for it. Only had it since summer 2012 and cost £860 new. XL frame in black anodized and has just a couple of minor chips and scuffs associated with normal off road use. I have used it at Swinley, Forest of Dean, Cleeve Hill and Whinlatter and it has been a good bike for the trails. Selling as I have upgraded. Let me know if you are interested via this thread before I advertise it elsewhere. I'm in the Oxfordshire area if you would like to come and view.

http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/cube-ltd ... 65913.html

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Re: £500 budget for 2nd hand hardtail??

Postby The Rookie » Thu Jan 10, 2013 07:59 am

ZeeSaffa wrote:Thanks again.
Surely for about £500 i could build something decent based on the On-One 456 (or Ragley) frame. I can use the new Deore/XT groupset that I've just put on my FSR to keep the cost down.

You could, not sure where that falls within the realms of your original post though!

For £500 you could pick up a decent frame and forks and all the other bits to go with a Groupset....my hole bike as it stands has cost me £450 (see link in sig).


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