Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

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Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby MagnePange » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:22 pm

Hello!

I think about a pair of new pedals: mainly beacuse my old ones looks like shoot on my nw bike.....

I have run the DMR V12. In my opinion excellent pedals.

I now think about a pair of nw V12 or Shimano Saint.

Then again I think about even more power and controll: Crank Brothes mallet2 whit nw FiveTen SPD DH/FR shoes. That would be cool. Or?

Any experience from switching from flat to SPD?

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:35 pm

It's not an easy change to make and not everyone gets on with it.
I quite like spd's for downhill, they stop your feet bouncing around on the pedals and are more efficient when sprinting hard. I use Shimano DX pedals with Shimano AM45 shoes (and AM41's for flats), crank bros pedals are a bit pointless, the platform does nothing except add weight.
I have got saint pedals on my XC bike and to be honest they perform no better than Superstar nano's.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby ilovedirt » Mon Jan 21, 2013 14:00 pm

1. SPDs are better for any kind of mtb racing, fact.
2. Crank bros are unreliable, but a lot of people like the feel of mallets, I'd get shimano DXs, but it's up to you what you prefer.
3.DMR v12s are crap, a decent flat pedal will feel miles better anyway, but for racing, SPDs are the way.
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby milko9000 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 15:04 pm

With code ECTEND you can get the Saint pedals for £35 off Evans at the moment. I've just given them a go because I can't for the life of me dismantle my Superstar Nanos to service them.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Jan 21, 2013 15:10 pm

Nano's are really simple to service. Very similar to every other flat I have had.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby ilovedirt » Mon Jan 21, 2013 15:57 pm

I've never needed to service mine in the 3 years I've had them anyway, apart from changing the pins a couple of times.
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby dusk » Mon Jan 21, 2013 16:13 pm

Since changing to spd's I've never looked back, they're awesome and make for a far better riding experience IMO.

The main argument I seem to see against them is crashing and still being clipped in but they're not that secure and unclipping is second nature once you're used to them.

I would also argue that what riding you're doing shouldn't affect whether you ride spd's or not, if you like them you like them (with the exception of trials, dj, freeride)
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby milko9000 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 18:28 pm

RockmonkeySC wrote:Nano's are really simple to service. Very similar to every other flat I have had.


The only tool I've got that can get at the nut inside the two caps, I can't get the leverage to undo it. Might have another go by applying a wrench to that tool as well or something. If I get that far, I haven't the foggiest idea how I'll get the bushing out as well.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Jan 21, 2013 18:33 pm

dusk wrote:I would also argue that what riding you're doing shouldn't affect whether you ride spd's or not, if you like them you like them (with the exception of trials, dj, freeride)


It took me a while to get used to spd's on my DH bike even after using them on my XC bike for years and I never take feet off for cornering. I think it was just a confidence thing.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby dusk » Mon Jan 21, 2013 20:17 pm

I thought I would use flats when I first had a DH bike and it just didn't feel right, switched to spd's and all was good again. I think a big thing is that your riding style changes with spd's, not purposely but it does happen
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby MagnePange » Tue Jan 22, 2013 20:15 pm

I think I will go for SPD: thank´s for the input on the CB Mallet.

Thank´s

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby captainfly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 03:59 am

I like flats, as I cant find and spd shoe with the cleat far back enough to drop my heel as I like to for dh (warner stylee) without stretching my instep uncomfortibly.
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby kangaroo » Wed Jan 23, 2013 15:39 pm

i think it depends on your style of riding and confidence level. i have used both flats and spds, and for having fun on a bike and pushing my limets i would choose flats.
i have tried the old style mallets and they are not the best of both worlds you might think they are, in fact i would say they are the worst of both. you cant clip in and out as easy and you cant ride on them as pure flats.
i have also tried normal eggbeaters and shimano xtr trail. and the best of the clipples ones ive tried is the shimano.
on the flats front i've tried dmr v8, kona wah wah, superstar ultra mag and burgtec penthouse flats. the kona and the superstar are better than the old dmr v8s, but the burgtec pedals are in a league of there own way above the others. the amount of grip they give is phenomenal.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby dhooper7 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 00:48 am

captainfly wrote:I like flats, as I cant find and spd shoe with the cleat far back enough to drop my heel as I like to for dh (warner stylee) without stretching my instep uncomfortibly.

You will always drop your heels on flats to counter your weight against contact angle.
With clips you'll drop the heels a bit less and weight will be a bit further forward.
Clips are faster on the pedals and give a bit of stability but slower in the corners.

In case you're wondering I ride platforms. I ride flatout whenever pointing down the hill so like the idea of dabbing if I get a bit overexcited.
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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby dredgey » Fri Feb 01, 2013 23:16 pm

Another vote for Shimano SPD's from me. Simple, reliable, robust. I went from flats last year. I'm a recreational biker and ride a hardtail bike (about to change to a full sus).

The change from flats to SPD's seemed a bit tricky at first until I adjusted the setting on the pedal to release more easily. I now find them the best pedals to use by miles! Uphill the difference in my climbing ability is huge. Downhill I feel more confident and in control at speed on bumps and drops. Jumps are better and bigger as I'm more stable in the air and especially landing.

Expect to fall at some point at first but you'll soon find clipping in/out something you do without really thinking.

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby MagnePange » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:42 am

Ha!

I could not deacide for anything so I bought one pair of Saint´s and one pair of SPD DX pedals and combine them with the Simano AM45 shoe.

What a sissy I am......

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Re: Flat or SPD for DH / Enduro racing.

Postby iDad » Wed Mar 13, 2013 13:25 pm

I bought a set of Shimano XT Trail SPD's last year, i love them my shins have seriously thanked me for getting them :D
It didn't take too long to get used to them...although i have forget a couple of times that i was clipped in and did the usual slow motion sideways fall much to the amusement of my mates and people around :oops:


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