When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

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When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby CubeCrazy » Tue Jul 03, 2012 19:36 pm

Hi guys.

Right I have a nutrition question for those in the know please.

My confusion is this...

I go to the gym 4-5 times a week, I train at the moment for weight loss and conditioning, I'm pretty satisfied with my muscle mass right now.

Diet wise I am consuming 1,500 calories per day which is about 450 deficit to take care of the weight loss and its working a treat.

However .. when I throw cycling into the mix and I go out and burn 1,700 calories how am I supposed to get this additional calories burned covered ?

If I am already eating 6 small meals, 1 every 2.5hours how can I then supplement my diet to compensate for the additional 1,700 calrories burned without it effecting my training or making me overtrain or completley crashing ?

As I say the gym side of things and diet I am spot on with, but I am not sure how I should address the calories burned when cycling, would I consume a carb drink before, would something simple like that take care of it ? a drink ? or a bowl of oats a few hours prior to cycle training ?

Any tips on how I can supplement my current diet to allow me to compensate for the additional calories burned would be very helpful.

Cheers.

Matt :)

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 21:00 pm

Exactly the same as you would at the gym... perhaps a carb drink during, lean protein afterwards. Don't over estimate how much you're burning though, most computers that give a calorie reading over estimate it by a hell of a lot.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 08:10 am

I'd say you should be eating double what you are doing right now.

You're expecting to be able to do the gym 5 times per week plus cycling, on 1500cals per day? Not a chance, especially for someone your size (i've seen the gunz pics)

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby CubeCrazy » Wed Jul 04, 2012 08:18 am

Cheers njee.

So basically then I just need to carb up a few hours before I go on a ride and hit the protein when I get in to aid recovery.

Rather than a carb drink I wonder if a banana or nuts while on the fly would be a good alternative?

If I was bulking sty then yes mate I agree, I think I'm one of those ectomorphs where I only have to look at a slice of bread and I put 2lbs on :(

I do tend to hit it a bit extreme, I lost 9lbs in 11 days recently, sure it won't all be lard but when I put me mind to it I can make a certain weight, as always ya get outta it what ya put in.

I never lose any mass when I diet which is good and yeah I know 1500 cals isn't nowhere near enough to cycle on top of hence askin this Q in first place, just need to find a way to supplement me cyclin.

I intend to do this 4 mile loop of a local woodland, it starts with a mile uphill in thick sand and the rest is a killer too, wanna work me way up to 4 laps 3 times a week see if that gets me fitter.

As for the other post, er ... doseage ? Lol maybe you just want me to click the link in your sig ;)

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby .blitz » Wed Jul 04, 2012 08:29 am

njee20 wrote:Don't over estimate how much you're burning though, most computers that give a calorie reading over estimate it by a hell of a lot.
^^ this

A 200lb person uses 700-800 calories an hour proppa MTBing not riding round fireroads/towpaths etc. The TdF dudes use over 1000 calories/hour

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 08:37 am

Nah, won't be that much, that's what I mean :-)

For the most part they're not working all that hard, 700 an hour at most I'd say. More for those in any breakaways, less in the bunch.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:06 pm

njee20 wrote:Nah, won't be that much, that's what I mean :-)

For the most part they're not working all that hard, 700 an hour at most I'd say. More for those in any breakaways, less in the bunch.

The TDF guys are super-fit/ondrugs/all-of-the-above as well though.
Doesn't a fit person use less calories to do the same thing as an unfit person? And a heavier set person uses more?

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:12 pm

Yep, so the heavier Tour riders will use more.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:13 pm

Doesn't a fit person use less calories to do the same thing as an unfit person? And a heavier set person uses more?


I'd imagine so. But they arent doing the same thing are they? An unfit person cant ride as fast/produce as much power as a fit person.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:17 pm

Not quite true, a heavier person will produce more power than an equivalently fit lighter person, their power:weight is lower though.
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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:19 pm

I never said otherwise!

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:25 pm

styxd wrote:
Doesn't a fit person use less calories to do the same thing as an unfit person? And a heavier set person uses more?


I'd imagine so. But they arent doing the same thing are they? An unfit person cant ride as fast/produce as much power as a fit person.

But if the two were to be riding along side by side, the fit person would be burning less energy.
Fit people don;t have to ride everywhere as fast as their little legs will cary them you know :lol:

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:29 pm

I know!

But in terms of the TDF guys, an unfit person wouldnt be able to keep up.

I thik if you ride as hard as you can, regardless of fitness, you wont go far wrong.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:31 pm

I never said otherwise!


Not as such, but you inferred power output was linked to fitness, which technically isn't the whole truth.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:34 pm

ah, but you said

a heavier person will produce more power than an equivalently fit lighter person,


which isnt technically the whole truth. What if they're weak and fat? They'll still be heavy, but not very powerful.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:39 pm

Then they're not equivalently fit...

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:42 pm

Who said they were?

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby njee20 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:44 pm

What?

You said:

An unfit person cant ride as fast/produce as much power as a fit person.


That's not the whole truth, because weight is a factor if we're talking pure power output.

I said:

a heavier person will produce more power than an equivalently fit lighter person,


Ie if you have 2 people who can ride a 25 minute 10 mile TT, one who is 60kg and one who is 100kg, the heavier one has a higher power output. Their W/kg is the same. Ignoring aerodynamics, rolling resistance etc.

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby styxd » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:47 pm

You got a cheeky edit in!

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Re: When and What to eat, to replace calories burned ?

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Wed Jul 04, 2012 15:47 pm

Oh man. I love threads like this. Especially when I'm only a bystander :lol:


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