F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby andyp » Fri Oct 12, 2012 13:46 pm

I know. But he'll likely lose (although I bet any money you like that he is let off by the Luxembourg authorities and the case is appealed to CAS by either the UCI, or much more likely, WADA) due to the principle of strict liability.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby The Cyclist of Catan » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:10 am

I'm no expert, but I understood (from the Bertie judgment at least) that the principle of strict liability means that Frank is responsible for any banned substances in his bloodstream UNLESS he demonstrates that it was more likely than not that he did not know about it and could not reasonably have found out. So the excuse "it might have been from a contaminated supplement" won't wash, but "my drink was spiked by the team manager" would - if Frank can persuade the tribunal that the explanation is more likely to be true than not (what the lawyers refer to as "the balance of probabilities").
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Richmond Racer » Mon Oct 15, 2012 18:42 pm

Frank's in his hearing right now...took Maxine Montfort in with him, apparently

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby frenchfighter » Mon Oct 15, 2012 19:03 pm

Been there close to 3 hours now.
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby frenchfighter » Mon Oct 15, 2012 19:23 pm

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ratherbeintobago » Mon Oct 15, 2012 19:37 pm

Wonder what the verdict will be?

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 15:57 pm

Erm...according to a tweet just now by Julian Pretot (Reuters cycling correspondent), Franky's hearing yesterday involved him appearing before - wait for it, this is good -

his dad
his uncle
his step father


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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ratherbeintobago » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:03 pm

If that's true, I'd assume WADA will appeal? Not exactly an unbiased hearing...

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:07 pm

I understand that Luxembourg has a population of 7 people, the Schlecks and a cocker spaniel, but for feck's sake...

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby TailWindHome » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:09 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Erm...according to a tweet just now by Julian Pretot (Reuters cycling correspondent), Franky's hearing yesterday involved him appearing before - wait for it, this is good -

his dad
his uncle
his step father


I need a bashing-hammer-over-someone's-head emoticon



Feck!

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby dennisn » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:17 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Erm...according to a tweet just now by Julian Pretot (Reuters cycling correspondent), Franky's hearing yesterday involved him appearing before - wait for it, this is good -

his dad
his uncle
his step father

I need a bashing-hammer-over-someone's-head emoticon


Ridiculous. But think about it. Who's tougher on you than your family? :wink:

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby hammerite » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:20 pm

They could've at least asked Kim Kirchen and that skier who was pretty good in the late 80s early 90s.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby RichN95 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:35 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Erm...according to a tweet just now by Julian Pretot (Reuters cycling correspondent), Franky's hearing yesterday involved him appearing before - wait for it, this is good -

his dad
his uncle
his step father


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Does WADA recognise being sent your room with no dinner as a legitimate sanction?
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby DonDaddyD » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:46 pm

Question, can a diuretic be used to pee traces of other banned substances out of the system? Edit: - Wiki just answered that for me. It is used for that in sport.

It does seem questionable that cyclist caught doping seem to be handled/managed by the same people, Johan Bruyneel - for example
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby TailWindHome » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:52 pm

DonDaddyD wrote:It does seem questionable that cyclist caught doping seem to be handled/managed by the same people, Johan Bruyneel - for example



Some would say that riders managed by Bruyneel don't get caught doping......it's only when they fall out with him that they get caught.
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Rick Chasey » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:54 pm

RichN95 wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:Erm...according to a tweet just now by Julian Pretot (Reuters cycling correspondent), Franky's hearing yesterday involved him appearing before - wait for it, this is good -

his dad
his uncle
his step father


I need a bashing-hammer-over-someone's-head emoticon

Does WADA recognise being sent your room with no dinner as a legitimate sanction?


I'd imagine that'd send him into a Pantani style spiral out of control. Way harsh Rich, way harsh.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Noclue » Tue Oct 16, 2012 20:23 pm

Just catching up on this thread and laughing alot, no wonder frank has a "Good feeling"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frank-s ... ng-defence

Just as a side note, without starting a new thread who was the French rider busted for doping recently and where? In all the hoo ha with Larry it's barely got a mention.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Turfle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 20:28 pm

Noclue wrote:Just catching up on this thread and laughing alot, no wonder frank has a "Good feeling"

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/frank-s ... ng-defence

Just as a side note, without starting a new thread who was the French rider busted for doping recently and where? In all the hoo ha with Larry it's barely got a mention.


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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby frenchfighter » Wed Oct 17, 2012 06:19 am

I hope that is a joke. Unreal if so.
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Noclue » Wed Oct 17, 2012 07:04 am

Thanks Turfle.


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