F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby dennisn » Wed Jan 30, 2013 19:43 pm

sherer wrote:I think it's obviously that what one brother does the other does too so this reflects bad on both of them.



I've got two brothers and I've done plenty of things that neither of them has(or hasn't) and vice versa. What's your reasoning behind that statement? Also, where's the proof?

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby dougzz » Wed Jan 30, 2013 19:45 pm

LeicesterLad wrote:
ddraver wrote:
rob churchill wrote:
sherer wrote:I think it's obviously that what one brother does the other does too so this reflects bad on both of them.

No, it isnt....

Are you really that naive DD?

So we're in favour of Cav doing time for drug trafficking?
Edit: Read back a bit further and noticed that ThomThom claims "They literally live in the same bedroom." What is it with the Bertie fan club meaning you have to get on Andy Schleck the whole time.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 20:00 pm

dougzz wrote:
LeicesterLad wrote:
ddraver wrote:
rob churchill wrote:
sherer wrote:I think it's obviously that what one brother does the other does too so this reflects bad on both of them.

No, it isnt....

Are you really that naive DD?

So we're in favour of Cav doing time for drug trafficking?
Edit: Read back a bit further and noticed that ThomThom claims "They literally live in the same bedroom." What is it with the Bertie fan club meaning you have to get on Andy Schleck the whole time.


Because while everybody else hates Bertie, we need a hate figure too :wink:

Besides, I don't mind Andy these days actually, I don't regard him as a hero or anything - equally I don't regard him as the face of clean cycling, my reasoned decision is:

1. His training partner is a convicted doper
2. His housemate is a convicted doper
3. His brother is a convicted doper
4. His team-mate is a convicted doper
5. His Boss was behind the biggest doping scandal in recent memory
6. Radioshack ooze dirt
7. Only rides *really* well once a year
8. He didn't lamblast Bertie when he got done for doping - infact he was even sympathetic
9. He hasn't made any comment of any merit on LA, Bruyneel etc.

Granted, much of this is guilt by association - though on this forum that is usually taken as 100% proof.

I regard both Schlecks as a kind of Ivan Basso figure - bit dirty, always there or there abouts when they want to be, nice enough as people etc.

Just my opinion. Plus if Frank was doing it back in the day with fuentes then that blows DD's 'desperate ageing rider' theory out of the water and means that Andy has known about his brothers habits for a while.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 20:06 pm

Big If....
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby dennisn » Wed Jan 30, 2013 20:11 pm

LeicesterLad wrote:
Granted, much of this is guilt by association - though on this forum that is usually taken as 100% proof.


++++++++1

Only problem is that this forum doesn't amount to a hill of beans as far as truth goes.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby Macaloon » Wed Jan 30, 2013 20:44 pm

LeicesterLad wrote:Granted, much of this is guilt by association - though on this forum that is usually taken as 100% proof.


Disagree. One of the things that makes this a worthwhile place to contribute is that skullduggery allegations are normally supported by evidence. Otherwise they are challenged. As in this case. Not saying it doesn't ever happen, but a least heated disputes are often about the meaning of agreed facts, rather than allegations.
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ThomThom » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:33 pm

ddraver wrote:I think this has all the hall marks of an old failing rider trying anything to get one more decent contract for next year than anything more permanant.


And the money transfer to Fuentes in 2006 in his peak years?...

Andy was second behind Di Luca and in front of Ricco and Simoni just 7-8 months later...
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:34 pm

ddraver wrote:Big If....


It isn't really, not after Fuentes comments yesterday, they were pretty conclusive as far as Franks 'training plan' line is concerned.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:35 pm

No one ever said they were intelligent

plucked out of nothing Thom....
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:36 pm

dougzz wrote:What is it with the Bertie fan club meaning you have to get on Andy Schleck the whole time.


It's lazy and it's easy. They do make the latter very easy...today even more so...
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ThomThom » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:41 pm

Just stating the obvious. It is easy, yes. But Frank and Andy have made it easy all by themselves.

They live together24/7 and has always done so.
Frank's been caught doping twice.
Rode under a SD that sent his riders to Fuentes.
Andy beating top dopers in his Giro debut as 21 year old.

Saying Andy didn't know about Frank doping is incredibly naive.
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:42 pm

ddraver wrote:
dougzz wrote:What is it with the Bertie fan club meaning you have to get on Andy Schleck the whole time.


It's lazy and it's easy. They do make the latter very easy...


Ignore my comment regarding Fuentes then. :roll:

There were no training plans in 2006. The man himself says so. Frank paid for something... He's no desperado looking for a contract, that's just what you want him to be. He's a serial doper.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:47 pm

Franks been caught doping once...

Got to say LL, all your posts about Sean Yates are looking a bit hypocritical at the moment...
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:53 pm

ddraver wrote:Franks been caught doping once...


Yeah, that makes it ok. It was just once. he just wanted a contract, bless him.

Contador has been caught doping once also. Your posts on him are a little hypocritical too.

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:56 pm

except they re not - I have no issue accepting that Frank doped, Andy is, as yet, unknown....
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:57 pm

ddraver wrote:Franks been caught doping once...

Got to say LL, all your posts about Sean Yates are looking a bit hypocritical at the moment...


How so?

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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:58 pm

ok rapid posting....see above...
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby LeicesterLad » Wed Jan 30, 2013 21:59 pm

ddraver wrote:except they re not - I have no issue accepting that Frank doped, Andy is, as yet, unknown....


Except you just tried to make excuses for Frank and refuse to accept the link with Fuentes?

You blast anyone and everyone who dares to get any enjoyment out of Contador. You make endless beef jokes and make sure you have your say on him at every available opportunity. Yet when it comes to Frank, I havnt heard any vitriol? No 'poison' jokes? Just a resignation that he's old and was looking for a contract...which we both know is horsesh*t because at the time there was talk of him and Andy starting a new team anyways...

Your not willing to accept the Fuentes links, but you are quick to link Bertie to Fuentes and those bloodbags...
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 30, 2013 22:06 pm

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Franks hematocrit was 40% on the day of his positive test. Jeez.. no wonder hes crap.

Wasnt blood or EPO doping then....
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Re: F Schleck tests positive for diuretic

Postby sherer » Wed Jan 30, 2013 22:09 pm

could be wrong on this but wasn't their dad a fairly talented cyclist ?

Wonder if part of the problem could be that in their Dads era we know there was doping and so with cycling changing little over the years in that respect he wouldn't have any problem with his sons following the same path. Don't forget Merckx introduced LA to Ferrari and he also "trained" Axel


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