2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:50 pm

And not long now - he is riding Eneco Tour.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Spiny_Norman » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:53 pm

The Inner Ring made an interesting point recently about Wiggins - he didn't just win the race in the TTs, he gained time on everyone bar Froome (who nicked 4s at Belles Filles, IIRC) in the mountains as well. The competition next year might be stronger, and his rivals might be in better form, but a hilly Tour shouldn't necessarily mean he won't be very competitive.

That's 12 months away, which is a long time for form to change, but it's worth bearing in mind.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby iainf72 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 19:20 pm

He also worked out without TT's and without Froome losing time due to a puncture, Froome would have won.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Jul 24, 2012 19:46 pm

Well we all know that removing TTs to calculate the time gaps isn't very clever way of looking at race results.

Did he work out how much time Froome would have lost if he hadn't had his fill of Italy's finest...
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby ddraver » Wed Jul 25, 2012 09:03 am

Well how about taking out all of the hills and mountains too? What would have happened then? :roll:
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Crozza » Wed Jul 25, 2012 09:07 am

No mention of Hesjedal yet, surely he will be targetting next year's TDF

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Spiny_Norman » Wed Jul 25, 2012 09:32 am

iainf72 wrote:He also worked out without TT's and without Froome losing time due to a puncture, Froome would have won.

Well yes, we know that - by a full 2s (I got it wrong above when I said 4). It might have been more if they'd been racing each other, but we don't know, and Brad had no need to view him as a threat, because of the puncture, TT gains and team status. The point is that it's rather more complicated than "Wiggins can TT, there were lots of TT kms and not many MTFs, which is why he won".

If we're taking this approach, you could extrapolate this year's difference from TTs and the difference from the mountains and conclude that even a single TT of any length would give Wiggins enough of an advantage to win, however many mountains you throw in.

That's not true either, of course, but the point was that on current form, a particularly hilly Tour wouldn't exactly rule Wiggins out. I think it's a tempting line of thought, but it doesn't sit easily with the facts.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby EPC06 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:19 pm

Would appear so if this is to be believed...

Etape 1 : Porto Vecchio - Bastia
Etape 2 : Bastia - Ajaccio
Etape 3 : Ajaccio - Calvi
Etape 4 : CLM par équipe Nice
Etape 5 : Cagnes sur Mer - Fréjus (Valloné par l'arrière pays)
Etape 6 : Aix en Provence - Montpellier (par la Camargue)
Etape 7 : Béziers - Toulouse
Etape 8 : Toulouse - Plateau de Beille (Agnès-Lers-Plateau de Beille)
Etape 9 : St Gaudens - St Lary Soulan (Menté-Portillon-Peyresourde-Azet)
REPOS
Etape 10 : Pau - Bordeaux
Etape 11 : Saintes - Nantes
Etape 12 : Bressuire - Tours
Etape 13 : Vierzon - Bourges (CLM individuel vallonné)
Etape 14 : Vichy - St Etienne (Col du Béal - Col de la Croix de l'Homme Mort)
Etape 15 : St Etienne - Montélimar (Col du Grand Bois-Col du Pranlet-Col de la Fayolle-Col du Benas)
REPOS
Etape 16 : Bédoin - Le Mont Ventoux (CLM individuel)
Etape 17 : Sisteron - Gap (Le Collet - Col de Pontis - St Apollinaire - Côte de la Rochette)
Etape 18 : Gap - L'Alpe d'Huez (Col d'Izoard - Col du Lautaret - L'Alpe d'Huez)
Etape 19 : Grenoble - Annecy (Col de Portes-Col du Cucheron-Col du Granier-Le Revard-Crêt de Chatillon)
Etape 20 : Annemasse - Morzine (Col de Sassel-Col de l'Avenaz-Col de la Ramaz-Col de Joux Plane)
Etape 21 : Montargis - Paris

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Monty Zoncolan » Wed Jul 25, 2012 13:31 pm

Wherer is that from EPC06?

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 25, 2012 13:33 pm

ITT up Ventoux?!

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Wed Jul 25, 2012 13:35 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:ITT up Ventoux?!


Love it.

Would suit Wiggins ; )
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby pb21 » Wed Jul 25, 2012 13:37 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:ITT up Ventoux?!


Awesome!

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby inkyfingers » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:19 pm

Sounds like a waste of Ventoux to me, at least from the point of view of a spectacle.

Wiggins obviously rode a very good Col d'Eze TT in paris-Nice, but would be interesting to see how he got on against pure climbers in a mountain TT. I reckon Contador would win as he can climb and TT, but I think Wiggins would beat most other "climbers" in a mountain TT as he's so good at measuring his effort.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:22 pm

inkyfingers wrote:Sounds like a waste of Ventoux to me, at least from the point of view of a spectacle.

Wiggins obviously rode a very good Col d'Eze TT in paris-Nice, but would be interesting to see how he got on against pure climbers in a mountain TT. I reckon Contador would win as he can climb and TT, but I think Wiggins would beat most other "climbers" in a mountain TT as he's so good at measuring his effort.


Wind on the Ventoux can ruin a spectacle.

Mountain TTs are pretty spectacular.

I still remember '05 Alp vividly.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:26 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
inkyfingers wrote:Sounds like a waste of Ventoux to me, at least from the point of view of a spectacle.

Wiggins obviously rode a very good Col d'Eze TT in paris-Nice, but would be interesting to see how he got on against pure climbers in a mountain TT. I reckon Contador would win as he can climb and TT, but I think Wiggins would beat most other "climbers" in a mountain TT as he's so good at measuring his effort.


Wind on the Ventoux can ruin a spectacle.

Mountain TTs are pretty spectacular.

I still remember '05 Alp vividly.


That was in '04. :wink:

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby derbygrimpeur » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:27 pm

TTT is back :)

I like the sounds of it, especially the Mont Ventoux TT.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:28 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
inkyfingers wrote:Sounds like a waste of Ventoux to me, at least from the point of view of a spectacle.

Wiggins obviously rode a very good Col d'Eze TT in paris-Nice, but would be interesting to see how he got on against pure climbers in a mountain TT. I reckon Contador would win as he can climb and TT, but I think Wiggins would beat most other "climbers" in a mountain TT as he's so good at measuring his effort.


Wind on the Ventoux can ruin a spectacle.

Mountain TTs are pretty spectacular.

I still remember '05 Alp vividly.


That was in '04. :wink:


Quite right.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:31 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
greasedscotsman wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:I still remember '05 Alp vividly.


That was in '04. :wink:


Quite right.


I should know because...

wait for it...


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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby afx237vi » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:36 pm

Two TTs in the space of 4 stages sounds a bit odd, though.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby FJS » Wed Jul 25, 2012 14:41 pm

afx237vi wrote:Two TTs in the space of 4 stages sounds a bit odd, though.


Yep. And how do they get all the way from Morzine to Paris on the last day? Normally the penultimate day finishes somewhere near a TGV station. And loads of other big transfers there. Is this some guy on a forum having a go at designing a route?


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