Lance Armstrong gets life ban,loses 7 TDF,confesses he doped

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Postby Dave_1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 13:36 pm

No tA Doctor wrote:There is nothing more this thread can squeeze out. Nothing. Please, please stop.

if it is relevant...its okay....I see LA sold his house for $3 million...what is that about?
If he is worth $125 million then wonder what the sale is about?

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Postby andyp » Thu Apr 11, 2013 13:43 pm

It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.

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Postby Dave_1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 14:32 pm

andyp wrote:It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.


yes, looks like he knows the baliffs could be calling. Guess his bikeshop will
go for sale too. Wonder if he is just putting his
fortune beyond reach of the law or is he in financial
difficulty with the lawsuits. If he has $125 million..I wonder
where it is?

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Postby dennisn » Thu Apr 11, 2013 15:20 pm

Dave_1 wrote:
andyp wrote:It's a lot easier to hide $3 million than it is a house.


yes, looks like he knows the baliffs could be calling. Guess his bikeshop will
go for sale too. Wonder if he is just putting his
fortune beyond reach of the law or is he in financial
difficulty with the lawsuits. If he has $125 million..I wonder
where it is?


I don't see the sale of anything he owns as a way to "hide" money. Way too simplistic of a view. If you or I owe someone money, for whatever reason, that person is more than likely to get that money whether we sell all our stuff or not. "Hiding" money, after the fact, is not something that usually works. Unless, of course, you decide to "skip" with all of it and live somewhere that local and national laws can't touch you.

Is he in financial difficulty? I couldn't say. He doesn't confide in me. I will bet that every time he sees his bank statements that the majority of outgoing money is to law firms. And that doesn't set well with anyone.

As I recall there is an old Spanish? curse that might apply here. "May your life be filled with lawyers".

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Postby Le Commentateur » Thu Apr 11, 2013 15:40 pm

Well, his "comeback" was after the credit crunch, if that's evidence of his or his backers' plight at the time. It'll be interesting to see if he actually continues living in the property for a while, perhaps renting it at a token price perhaps?

Being "worth" $125m isn't the same as having that amount in the bank or wherever.

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Postby NervexProf » Mon Apr 15, 2013 08:41 am

Leeterman on Armstrong - funny conclusion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... BgCslvv4lk

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Postby mfin » Mon Apr 15, 2013 13:59 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=snLWkqWLY1g#!

:) ...that makes up for the unfunny letterman vid
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Postby ddraver » Mon Apr 15, 2013 20:43 pm

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/two-arm ... e-uci-says

UCI have wriggled out of that one then....
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Postby Paul 8v » Mon Apr 15, 2013 21:28 pm

Haha, so corrupt. I love the idea that a serial doper was donating to combat drugs. When will they get rid of McQuaid, surely everyone can see he has absolutely no credibility any more?

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Postby ThomThom » Mon Apr 15, 2013 21:35 pm

ddraver wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/two-armstrong-doping-controls-at-2001-tour-de-suisse-suspicious-but-not-positive-uci-says

UCI have wriggled out of that one then....


I wonder if they called Lance up for a meeting as well like they did with Tyler.

'You are too good at the moment, Lance..'

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Postby deejay » Tue Apr 16, 2013 09:00 am

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... -1999-tour

UCI concluded tests showed no systematic doping use

Lance Armstrong tested postiive for corticosteroids four times during the 1999 Tour de France, not just once as previously reported. An internal UCI memo shows the four positive as occurring on July 4, 14, 15 and 21, according to Het Nieuwsblad.

All of the doping controls are said to have shown "traces" of triamcinolone acetonide.

At the time, Armstrong produced a supposedly back-dated TUE which allowed him to use the corticosteroid for a saddle sore. In his doping confession earlier this year he admitted to having illegally used the product. The TUE had been prepared by team doctor Luis Garcia Del Moral, who has also been named in the Armstrong doping case.

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Postby dennisn » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:20 pm

News report says LA just bought a 4 million home in Austin.

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Postby Frank the tank » Fri Apr 19, 2013 13:22 pm

dennisn wrote:News report says LA just bought a 4 million home in Austin.

Really, dead pleased for him...........................the cheating b@st@rd. :evil:
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Postby Joelsim » Fri Apr 19, 2013 14:16 pm

Well with $19m from his insurance scam 'win under any means' and many years of huge sponsorship contracts...

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Postby dennisn » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:39 pm

Couple of questions that are related to this topic. Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Who or what(computer?) makes the decisions on who / whom is to be drug tested?

How does this this "decision" make its way to the various men and women with the pee cup and needles?

Depending on the answers I get I'm going to assume I will have more questions.

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Postby iainf72 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:57 pm

dennisn wrote:Couple of questions that are related to this topic. Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Who or what(computer?) makes the decisions on who / whom is to be drug tested?

How does this this "decision" make its way to the various men and women with the pee cup and needles?



Do you mean in competition tests?

If we use the TdF as an example - If you win the stage, or hold any of the leaders jerseys you automatically get tested. Might be the top few positions. Then there is "random" tests. These vary between truly random (pulled out of a hat type thing) to "random" based on other information. That's more targeted testing based on information from other sources

The testers get a list of athletes, and their names are put up as people needing to report for doping tests. These days they have a chaperone to make sure they don't do anything to try scupper the test. (injecting clean urine into their bladder, masking agents, that kind of thing)

The tests are done and all stages are witnessed by the athletes, and they sign off their urine or blood samples going into containers. There are controls there where the athlete can pick pots or whatever, and they're all sealed to prevent contamination. Samples are marked with a number and when the samples get to the lab, the labs have no idea who they're testing. In the case of an AAF (adverse analytical finding or "positive") this gets communicated to the governing body who can correlate sample to athlete.
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Postby dennisn » Sat Apr 20, 2013 13:18 pm

iainf72 wrote:
dennisn wrote:Couple of questions that are related to this topic. Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Who or what(computer?) makes the decisions on who / whom is to be drug tested?

How does this this "decision" make its way to the various men and women with the pee cup and needles?



Do you mean in competition tests?

If we use the TdF as an example - If you win the stage, or hold any of the leaders jerseys you automatically get tested. Might be the top few positions. Then there is "random" tests. These vary between truly random (pulled out of a hat type thing) to "random" based on other information. That's more targeted testing based on information from other sources

The testers get a list of athletes, and their names are put up as people needing to report for doping tests. These days they have a chaperone to make sure they don't do anything to try scupper the test. (injecting clean urine into their bladder, masking agents, that kind of thing)

The tests are done and all stages are witnessed by the athletes, and they sign off their urine or blood samples going into containers. There are controls there where the athlete can pick pots or whatever, and they're all sealed to prevent contamination. Samples are marked with a number and when the samples get to the lab, the labs have no idea who they're testing. In the case of an AAF (adverse analytical finding or "positive") this gets communicated to the governing body who can correlate sample to athlete.


How do these testers actually "....get a list of athletes...."? i.e. e-mail, phone call, notes passed to them.
How many people see these testing orders(if you will)?

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Postby RichN95 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 13:28 pm

dennisn wrote:
How do these testers actually "....get a list of athletes...."? i.e. e-mail, phone call, notes passed to them.
How many people see these testing orders(if you will)?


It's just the start list for the race.

When there's been testing of my club in hockey (very rare), they just get a list of the players playing in the match, ascribe each one a number and then draw numbered tags out of a bag in front of a team representative.
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Postby iainf72 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 13:43 pm

dennisn wrote:How do these testers actually "....get a list of athletes...."? i.e. e-mail, phone call, notes passed to them.
How many people see these testing orders(if you will)?


In competition? Anyone who wants to see it can - it's publically displayed

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Postby RichN95 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 14:36 pm

If you look at that picture Iain posted above it shows their strategy.

It's after Stage 19 of last year's Giro. Kreuziger was the winner, Rodriguez the leader.

Of those numbers:

121 is Basso and 95 is Hesjedal. These are performance related picks.
142 is Bruseghin who is involved in the Mantova investigation, so may be a targeted test.
The other three are Velasco, Niemec and Bakelandts and were probably picked at random.
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