2013 - Wiggins big choices

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2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby tremayne » Fri Dec 28, 2012 13:15 pm

Brailsford on SKY News just now, talking about Wiggins and the Giro. He talks about setting realistic goals, how suited the Giro is to Bradley. How he has done the 'first brit to win the tour' thing, which no one can ever repeat, equal or (hopefully) take away.

In short - I'm going to translate the whole article as - 'please Brad, go for the Giro and let poor Froomey have a crack at the Tour. You did promise him - and ever since you've been talking about the 2013 Tour, he's been a wreck. Plus he might again give you his 'death stare', last seen at SPOTY'....

A bit of me suspects that he has no genuine intention of having a full scale tilt at the tour and is just having a little bit of fun. If nothing else, I believe it will be motivating Chris to train like he's never trained before.

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby deejay » Fri Dec 28, 2012 13:28 pm

tremayne wrote: You did promise him - and ever since you've been talking about the 2013 Tour, he's been a wreck. Plus he might again give you his 'death stare', last seen at SPOTY'....

A bit of me suspects that he has no genuine intention of having a full scale tilt at the tour and is just having a little bit of fun. If nothing else, I believe it will be motivating Chris to train like he's never trained before.

Sounds like Lemond v Hinault.
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby tremayne » Fri Dec 28, 2012 13:46 pm

Definitely does sound like LeMond vs Hinault. However, DaveB has read that book and appears to be doing his very utmost to avoid repeating those mistakes!

He literally has just gone on telly and said (I'm paraphrasing) 'please Brad - just stick to the plan'.

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Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Dec 28, 2012 14:43 pm

since Wiggo did his 'I fancy having a shot at the double' on the SPOTY night, a couple of days later he did an interview for Sky news and said he'd go with whatever the team decide re leader.

Like Tremayne I think Wiggo was just being mischievous. However I do think that he and Sutton are going to focus his training on him being top form for the Giro AND holding it for the Tour....cos you never know whats going to happen...Froome could perform like a dog in the races leading up to it OR he could get his bilharzia thing...

The media are going to make a meal of this for the next 6 months, mind you, just like the French media did with urging the Badger to go for a 6th win. Whatever happens Brailsford will not let it come down to a Badger v Lemond repeat on the actual road at the Tour - if for no other reason than Contador etc will exploit it.

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby tremayne » Fri Dec 28, 2012 15:57 pm

RR - I think you are right, in as much as when the time comes - Brailsford would be crazy to alllow it to become a Badgerfest.

However, just think... If we thought 2012 was Badgertastic, and in reality, there was strict team orders and Froome pretty much stuck to the script - if Wiggo/Froome really did intend to seperately compete for yellow, it would be carnage! As you say - will never happen....

Wiggo has a sense of humour, we know that much. Perhaps this is payback time for;

1/. Chris dropping him on the climb
2/. Chris leading him up another climb, while constantly making 'keep up, yer slow git' gestures

I don't put it past him. A bit of sport for a few months, then give Chris a pat on the back and say 'I'm behind you all the way, just keeping you on your toes'.

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby frenchfighter » Fri Dec 28, 2012 16:11 pm

I'd bet he will let Froome ride the Tour as leader and either not ride or turn up to help and put in a few good performances and for Sky sponsor exposure.

I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby ddraver » Fri Dec 28, 2012 19:12 pm

I find it interesting that people constantly criticise Sky for being boring but then beg them not to repeat the same ''Mistakes'' as the La Vie Claire team but then ''they'' say that that was ''the best tour ever''
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby iainf72 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 19:30 pm

ddraver wrote:I find it interesting that people constantly criticise Sky for being boring but then beg them not to repeat the same ''Mistakes'' as the La Vie Claire team but then ''they'' say that that was ''the best tour ever''


Does anyone think 86 was the best Tour ever? 89, yes, and 86 was good but I can think of better races

I find it hilarious that people keep wheeling out the 86 Tour as something that will happen again. We really like to live in the past.

Anyway, if Wiggins is there and committed to helping Froome, that's as good as it'll get. If Wiggins is not there, then I suspect Froome will struggle
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby ddraver » Fri Dec 28, 2012 19:46 pm

I did nt say I agreed with them...just made the observation...
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby tremayne » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:41 am

I think Mr Frenchie has touched on a v important aspect which I hadn't really mentioned and that's the paymaster, Sky. I guess much will also come down to them as a sponsor and I can't see them agreeing to bradders not being there. Now it's sir bradders, the sky exposure just gets better. Possibly why he's saying some funny stuff?

DB. We want you to go for the giro and Chris gets TDF
SBW ok , good with that. Looks a bit hilly anyway. That's agreed then.
DB. Oh, but you have to do the tour also. Sky want it. Just go round and help out.
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:31 pm

frenchfighter wrote:I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.



Tedious cliche, and please don't presume to speak for "the fans", many of whom were distinctly unimpressed by your boy's Vuelta win, with all its "passion".
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby RoadPainter » Sun Dec 30, 2012 14:28 pm

No tA Doctor wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.



Tedious cliche, and please don't presume to speak for "the fans", many of whom were distinctly unimpressed by your boy's Vuelta win, with all its "passion".

he only says it to wind us up, and I'm getting closer to putting him on block - posts a lot of good stuff, but aqm getting more & more bored of the Contador illusion.

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby ddraver » Sun Dec 30, 2012 15:54 pm

Nah, you have to do is look at the avatar first, if it's one you recognise as someone who you disagree with then don't read the post! You wouldn't want to challenge yourself or anything!

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby greasedscotsman » Sun Dec 30, 2012 16:09 pm

ddraver wrote:Nah, you have to do is look at the avatar first, if it's one you recognise as someone who you disagree with then don't read the post! You wouldn't want to challenge yourself or anything!

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But Frenchfighter keeps changing his! :cry:

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:18 pm

RoadPainter wrote:
No tA Doctor wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.



Tedious cliche, and please don't presume to speak for "the fans", many of whom were distinctly unimpressed by your boy's Vuelta win, with all its "passion".

he only says it to wind us up, and I'm getting closer to putting him on block - posts a lot of good stuff, but aqm getting more & more bored of the Contador illusion.


I'd take it as a complement if you put me on block.

I am mature enough not to try and goad people. What I write about Contador is my opinion; no more no less.
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:18 pm

ddraver wrote:Nah, you have to do is look at the avatar first, if it's one you recognise as someone who you disagree with then don't read the post! You wouldn't want to challenge yourself or anything!

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Still waiting for you to post something worth reading. You think you can achieve that before the year end?
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:19 pm

No tA Doctor wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.



Tedious cliche, and please don't presume to speak for "the fans", many of whom were distinctly unimpressed by your boy's Vuelta win, with all its "passion".


That 'many' is in the minority. Sorry to disappoint you. There are more cycling fans than those that exist on this forum and this forum is not an accurate reflection of the feeling towards Contador around the World.
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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby ddraver » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:27 pm

No Frenchie because you don't read it...

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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:44 pm

frenchfighter wrote:
No tA Doctor wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:I really want him to ride the Giro at his best so he can go toe-to-toe with Contador. Science Vs Passion . New school vs Old School. It will be fun to watch but we all know who will come out the victor with the fans and come away with the Maglia Rosa.



Tedious cliche, and please don't presume to speak for "the fans", many of whom were distinctly unimpressed by your boy's Vuelta win, with all its "passion".


That 'many' is in the minority. Sorry to disappoint you. There are more cycling fans than those that exist on this forum and this forum is not an accurate reflection of the feeling towards Contador around the World.


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Re: 2013 - Wiggins big choices

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Dec 30, 2012 23:25 pm

Back to the topic of choices of Sky leaders for the GTs this year....

interesting interview in Bicilismo with David Lopez who's joined from Movistar. I've only used rubbish free interwebz translator but basically Wiggins has been beasting the training out in Mallorca, and Lopez's been surprised by Sky's approach to full on heaving training through Dec ..but the interesting bit re leadership is that he says that they want to contest the Vuelta with Henao...

I'd have thought they'll go in with a Henao/Uran combo, mind you, and it could be the real meaning's lost in (shoddy) translation...but interesting

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/no ... p?id=58168


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