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Re: Puerto trial

Postby ddraver » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:09 am

Yeah he was one of those riders I'd just assumed had already been done...
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby No tA Doctor » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:14 am

ddraver wrote:Yeah he was one of those riders I'd just assumed had already been done...


:lol: That's what I thought too.
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby SecretSqirrel » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:19 am

No tA Doctor wrote:
ddraver wrote:Yeah he was one of those riders I'd just assumed had already been done...


:lol: That's what I thought too.


Yep, that doesn't sound like news to me either. Perhaps we have all become de-sensitised?

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby sherer » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:51 am

think he's been linked before and of course he did make a comeback with Rock Racing!

To be honest is there really anyone that would surprise us any more ? Even if Evans and Wiggo got linked I wouldn't be too surprised

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby frenchfighter » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:04 am

I'm guessing the Italians didn't want to take him down then due to his exceptional ability to publicise the sport and their country. Big money generator.

Him doping isn't new news. The info is already quite easy to access. I was associations with him yday.
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby iainf72 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 16:06 pm

I love the way he's been nabbed because his fax number was on a sheet for "Maria"
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby mididoctors » Sat Feb 09, 2013 16:16 pm

sherer wrote:think he's been linked before and of course he did make a comeback with Rock Racing!

To be honest is there really anyone that would surprise us any more ? Even if Evans and Wiggo got linked I wouldn't be too surprised


I would be a little bit surprised if wiggo was dirty... positioned himself badly if he is

IIRC chipo was implicated donkeys yrs ago when room service complained cleaning up his hotel room after nearly stabbing themselves on used hypos

As time goes on I am surprised by how few are really implicated... you took the tdf 2012 field what % were tooled up? we still don't have a real handle on that compared to 2003 0r 2009?
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby Richmond Racer » Sat Feb 09, 2013 17:05 pm

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby mroli » Sat Feb 09, 2013 18:46 pm

Cipo has come out swinging - details on cycling news, but denies it, points out that his so called fax no was an Italian landline and that he was resident in Monaco at that time, that if his code name was Maria - how come that another 2 names have been attributed to him, that he is totally innocent AND that he is willing to take "haemotological" tests to prove his innocence. I don't know exactly what they are - but if they are the DNA tests that people were suggesting Canc took, then he is certainly talking the talk.....

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby Eddie72 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:01 am

Gazzetta said that “the phone number connected to the code name "Maria" is a number in Lucca which we at the time called Cipollini in those years, in spite of his residence was in Monaco.”

Get out of that one Mario...

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:19 am

[quote="mroli"]Cipo has come out swinging - details on cycling news, but denies it, points out that his so called fax no was an Italian landline and that he was resident in Monaco at that time, that if his code name was Maria - how come that another 2 names have been attributed to him, that he is totally innocent AND that he is willing to take "haemotological" tests to prove his innocence. I don't know exactly what they are - but if they are the DNA tests that people were suggesting Canc took, then he is certainly talking the talk.....[/quote


OP was 06 by which time SuperMario has retired (first time around). Who knows where Fuentes still had any of his bags in 06, and what condition they'd be in, of so.


EDIT: Bleeding 'eck, he didnt hold back, did he?

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:45 am

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:45 am

Richmond Racer wrote:
EDIT: Bleeding 'eck, he didnt hold back, did he?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ro-ditalia


Heart of a lion.
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:58 am

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby frenchfighter » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:07 pm

The quantities he used were uber hardcore:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report- ... ro-ditalia

But Cipo says:
"To further prove Mr. Cipollini is not linked to the claims made, he is willing to undergo any kind of hematological test to compare the 99 bags in possession of the Spanish judicial system.

And Cecchini says:
"I've read what Gazzetta dello Sport has published about Mario Cipollini but I've nothing to do with him and Dr. Fuentes. I didn’t send Cipollini to Fuentes,"

"I've done tests and prepared training programmes for lots of riders over the years, but I was never involved in doping them. Ask them and any other rider, they'll defend me. I was investigated by Italian police a long time ago but I was never put on trial. That must mean something,"

"It's not that simple. Just because I coached them, it doesn't mean I could tell if they were doping, even with SRM data, or whatever. I never knew that riders might have been doping."

"My concience is clear. I know I didn’t do anything wrong, even if God is the final judge of if we lived honest lives."

"I'm old and probably only have five years to live. I love cycling like lots of people but I'm not interested in trying to help find a solution to the doping problem. It's not up to me,"

"I think all the police investigations have proved that the anti-doping controls don't work, that they're a waste of time and of huge amounts of money. I think we should use those millions to create a special international police force that can work to fight doping. That's the only real solution."
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:22 pm

Cecchini is a weird one. Hamilton basically gives him a clean bill of health, but he's trained so many of the riders linked to Puerto. It's not credible that he didn't monitor them and NOT know they were doping. But it looks like he just turned a blind eye. I wonder just how he reconciles that internally?
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby OCDuPalais » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:24 pm

He was a doper's beard.

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:32 pm

David Millar trained with him for a brief period between his return on 06 from his ban and the Tour - Sciandri recommended him to DM. Ceccini never charged DM, interestingly. DM maintains that he never got a hint of Ceccini being involved with doping.

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Re: Puerto trial

Postby OCDuPalais » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:44 pm

...whilst Ferrari was more of a Groucho Marx glasses, nose and 'tache.
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Re: Puerto trial

Postby EKIMIKE » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:57 pm

cyclingnews wrote:He [Cecchini] graduated as a sport doctor in his forties, and along with Dr. Michele Ferrari was one of the leading disciples of Professor Francesco Conconi.


I was interested by the language used here. 'Disciples' suggests Conconi had a prophecy or rather with more realistic use of language a theory - a scientific theory. Having a look at Conconi's Wiki page (great source, i know) it seems he had just that - a scientific theory.

The fact that Conconi's theory lead to some truly influential and legitimate developments in sports science seems to go some way to explaining the mentality of Cecchini and Ferrari. Particularly some of the absurd sounding statements they persist with.

Clearly what they were doing wasn't just a case of being the dirty doctor - i.e. 'Because i'm a doctor i'm in a position to sell you drugs you wouldn't otherwise be able to get hold of. Plus i'll tell you how to use them if you pay me some more'. True, that is how it eventually transpired (at least with Conconi and Ferrari) but there's always that lingering element of genuine advancement in sports science.

For me, it doesn't take away from the absurdity of what they say. It just explains why they say those things.


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