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Silly question on waterproofing panniers

Postby Bigtallfatbloke » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:50 pm

...so the cheaper ones arnt waterproof...so couldn't I just spray them with something like water proof shoe spray or something to make them waterproof?

I sent back my Daws panniers and am about to get some of these:

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b5s74p42

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b5s74p41

They come with a waterproof liner...but then the bags would be wet and heavy...so...I thought I could spray them and ditch the inners.

...I bet there is a reason why this isn't a popular move already right?[:)]

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Postby pauluscp » Fri Jun 15, 2007 15:34 pm

No panniers are totally waterproof after a time in a storm or all day in the rain. I find it is good to put your clothes etc. in a plastic bag inside the panniers. I have Carradice Super C panniers made from Cotton Duck material and I spray them with fabsil waterproofing spray once a year, available from most camping shops.

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Postby Brains » Fri Jun 15, 2007 15:56 pm

Either buy Ortalieb or buy rubble sacks. Both are waterproof to the degree required on a bike

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Postby vernonlevy » Fri Jun 15, 2007 17:27 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bigtallfatbloke</i>

...so the cheaper ones arnt waterproof...so couldn't I just spray them with something like water proof shoe spray or something to make them waterproof?

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I use non waterproof panniers lined with rubble sacks. It's a standard trick used by backpackers too. Sparing a fabric bag will not make it waterproof for long.

How much heavier do you think the bags will get?

I don't think you'll notice the difference.

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Postby vernonlevy » Fri Jun 15, 2007 17:30 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Bigtallfatbloke</i>

...so the cheaper ones arnt waterproof...so couldn't I just spray them with something like water proof shoe spray or something to make them waterproof?

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I use non waterproof panniers lined with rubble sacks. It's a standard trick used by backpackers too. Spraying a fabric bag will not make it waterproof for long.

How much heavier do you think the bags will get?

I don't think you'll notice the difference.

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Postby jonpcp » Fri Jun 15, 2007 18:37 pm

Or for a dedicated product, try something like the neoprene-coated Field and Trek Rucksack Liner - mine has seen regular use for nearly 15 yrs and is still going strong.

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Postby magfos » Sat Jun 16, 2007 00:59 am

Having ridden all day in pouring rain and forded streams with water half way up the sides of the panniers, I can say that I'm happy with the waterproofness of my Ortlieb panniers.

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Postby Philip Davis » Sat Jun 16, 2007 08:03 am

Ortlieb are completely waterproof. I met someone who had his bags washed off when fording a river in the Himalaya. He managed to retrieve them about half a mile downstream. All his clothes were bone dry!

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Postby psmiffy » Sat Jun 16, 2007 08:08 am

I always use fertilizer bags (unused brand new)to line my panniers tied off with reusable zip ties - I can remove everything in one go and leave saturated wet panniers outside where they don't contaminate my - hopefully - dry tent

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Postby psmiffy » Sat Jun 16, 2007 08:10 am

I would not say that the sort of yellow pannier covers are less than useless

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Postby Gatsofan » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:16 pm

What are "rubble bags"? Whats wrong with just using black bin liners? ........ inside the panniers obviously!

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Postby freddered » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:28 pm

Best way to waterproof your panniers is to put them inside Ortlieb panniers.

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Postby PHcp » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:35 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gatsofan</i>

What are "rubble bags"? Whats wrong with just using black bin liners? ........ inside the panniers obviously!

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Rubble bags are smaller (more pannier size) heavy duty versions of bin bags. They are less likely to rip and last a lot longer.
I use totally waterproof panniers by Ortlieb and Vaude. They're great for the stuff that has to stay dry, like sleeping bags, but it's not always an advantage, if you put stuff in damp, it'll remain damp however hot the day becomes. I still end up using plastic bags, to keep wet stuff away from dry, clean separate from dirty and just to keep organised.

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Postby philip99a » Sat Jun 16, 2007 14:48 pm

My Vaude panniers are totally waterproof.Why get canvas/polyester type cloth ones when the rubberised ones (Vaude, Ortlieb) are going to be more waterproof.

Only trouble is I've used them so much over the past 8 years they're starting to develop pin holes. Still good value for 8 years use. I also use plastic bags inside to keep things separate. If anything's wet on a sunny day I decorate the back of the bike with my washing. Soon dry. Keep them away from the back wheel. I have no pride me.

But I have a theory. Proved over many years.

"Whatever you want is always in the bottom of the OTHER pannier".

This is provably true even if you stat to search in the "other" pannier first. And even if you double double bluff it etc etc



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Postby Oldknees » Thu Jun 21, 2007 13:34 pm

Bin bags,

cheap reliable and last for ages.

If you want to be exotic:

two bin bags one inside the other.

If you want to keep things separate. Two separate bin bags along side each other.

They can also be filled with helium and used to lighten the load - don't forget to attach them to your frame.

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Postby Biffocp » Thu Jun 21, 2007 22:09 pm

not a silly question at all.

Yes use some kind of liner. But as to waterproofing the outside of the panniers, i recolect some one saying Ronseal waterproofing for brick walls would work for tents and such besides being a lot cheaper than the stuff from camping/gear shops,

If you go this way maybe test it on similar material to the panniers first , just in case!

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Postby Bigtallfatbloke » Thu Jun 21, 2007 22:21 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">They can also be filled with helium and used to lighten the load<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

...this idea I like![:D][:D]


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