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New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby speedymoto » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:23 am

I have just treated myself to a new bike with 105 groupset & RS10 wheels, the quality seems way below what I was expecting.

The drivetrain (FSA gossamer pro triple crank/ 105 10sp cassette/ derailleur/ front mech/ 5600 chain) seems to have a huge amount of resistance & sounds awful, as if I've just put a new un-lubed chain on a really worn mis-matched cassette - it all works ok, but I was expecting something a little smoother... maybe it will break in after a few hundred miles?

Also, the RS10 rims are all over the place, one resembles an egg-shaped pringle, I know they are fairly entry level wheels but I still thought they would be close to perfect when spanking new! I should badger my LBS but I think I'll just remedy them myself.

Maybe I was just expecting too much, the last time I purchased a brand new bike was 20 years ago with unbelievable quality Deore XT (mtb) but I suppose that was when Barbour jackets were still made in the UK, and Shimano components were still made in Japan.....

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:40 am

Take it back.

I would not attempt to true RS 10 wheels... they are not exactly user friendly

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby mamba80 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:03 pm

its all just set up wrong and/or damaged.
My gf's set up - same as yours, on a caad10 is silent

RS10s should come out the box, straight and true, as ugo said return, they are a pia to true, especially if way out and make sure you get a new pair!

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby keef66 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:10 pm

My 105 groupset and RS10 wheels are still performing faultlessly after 5 and a half years. Only had to replace one gear cable. Apart from servicing the hubs and lubricating the freehub once I've never touched the wheels.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby smidsy » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:33 pm

My new Ultegra 6700 groupset on my newly built Basso seems excellent quality - so in conclusion yours is either faulty and/or installed wrongly.
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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby lostboysaint » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:41 pm

keef66 wrote:My 105 groupset and RS10 wheels are still performing faultlessly after 5 and a half years. Only had to replace one gear cable. Apart from servicing the hubs and lubricating the freehub once I've never touched the wheels.


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!

How "new" is your 5 year old Shimano then and how does that relate to the OP and his comments on NEW Shimano quality?
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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby keef66 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:52 pm

Less of the whoosh if you don't mind. 5 year old kit is still fairly new as far as I'm concerned. You think Shimano suddenly started making their stuff out of cheese??

I suspect the OP would do better to take up his grievance with the supplier of his bike, rather than slag off Shimano on a public forum.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby Rolf F » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:30 pm

keef66 wrote:Less of the whoosh if you don't mind. 5 year old kit is still fairly new as far as I'm concerned. You think Shimano suddenly started making their stuff out of cheese??


It's entirely possible. Happened to Mercedes so I think the question is valid.

However, I wouldn't personally immediately blame Shimano for the performance of individual components on a new bike build.
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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby Monty Dog » Thu Jan 03, 2013 16:55 pm

If the bike was new, then the British Standard requires a new bike should have a wheel "trueness" of something like 5mm vertical and 2mm lateral - a decent mechanic wouldn't let a wheel leave the shop with any visible variation.
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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby lostboysaint » Thu Jan 03, 2013 17:06 pm

keef66 wrote:Less of the whoosh if you don't mind. 5 year old kit is still fairly new as far as I'm concerned. You think Shimano suddenly started making their stuff out of cheese??

I suspect the OP would do better to take up his grievance with the supplier of his bike, rather than slag off Shimano on a public forum.


Yes, it's entirely possible. It's more than common for "manufacturers" to subcontract work out and end up with a bad batch of stuff, or with a new supplier using materials which aren't anything like as good as the older version.

The OP was making a valid statement based on his experience and asking for comment from others with NEW (ie. comparable) kit, not brand-whore junkies who think that anything they have must be perfect because they haven't broken it yet.*

*Campag on my road bike but Shimano on my MTBs, including a 15 year old XT rear derailleur which is infinitely higher quality than the 2 year old one that is on the other bike.
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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby DesWeller » Thu Jan 03, 2013 18:24 pm

If current-model Shimano kit had been generally subjected to the sort of quality reduction in the OP then we'd have heard about it before now, don't you think? It's been out for quite a while.

To the OP: Take it back. Sounds like you got the last one on a Friday afternoon.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby Bozman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 20:39 pm

The quality of Shimano groupsets dropped after the 5600,6600 and 7800 ranges, the new stuff doesn't have the finish and looks like pig metal, the shifting quality has dropped off the scale.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby SmoggySteve » Thu Jan 03, 2013 21:59 pm

Campagnolooooooooooooo - You will see the error of your ways eventually

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby declan1 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 23:03 pm

My main bike (See sig) has Shimano 600 Ultegra, which is around 20 years old. It shifts comparably to Ultegra 6700 (obviously I don't have STIs). They did make stuff properly back then though...

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby TheStone » Thu Jan 03, 2013 23:06 pm

I've got 6600 on one bike and 6700 on another (6 and 3 years)

They're different, but wouldn't say one was better. The 6600 shifts better, but 6700 brakes better. I prefer the build quality of the 6700 shifters.

FSA on the other hand! Nearly everything I've tried of theirs has been rubbish.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby MisterMuncher » Fri Jan 04, 2013 00:41 am

If it's new 105, shouldn't it be a 5700 chain, the unidirectional one?

I've run (5700) 105 with the designated chain, and with a plain SRAM 1050, and it did make a noticeable difference. The directional chain is quite noisy when installed backwards, too.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby keef66 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:45 am

MisterMuncher wrote:If it's new 105, shouldn't it be a 5700 chain, the unidirectional one?

I've run (5700) 105 with the designated chain, and with a plain SRAM 1050, and it did make a noticeable difference. The directional chain is quite noisy when installed backwards, too.


Not for use with the Shimano triple crankset. Though I note the OP has an FSA triple

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby speedymoto » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:19 pm

keef66 wrote:I suspect the OP would do better to take up his grievance with the supplier of his bike, rather than slag off Shimano on a public forum.


Certainly wasn't my intention to slag off the mighty S, I've been using Shimano products for many years and have been more than happy with them. But it is fair to say I find the quality of just about everything I buy these days isn't quite what it was a few years back - oh no, now I sound like my Dad - I was expecting very refined levels of performance straight from the box, even from good old 105, and thanks to the posts it appears I was absolutely right to expect this - my local bike shop is 45km away so I didn't want to turn up only to be told "it's normal for the 'running in' period", especially as gear changes are completely trouble free and set up appears spot-on.... It's a CAAD10 & I might just ride it until the initial service, if it still isn't right after that I'll press the supplier for answers.

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby speedymoto » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:22 pm

Monty Dog wrote:If the bike was new, then the British Standard requires a new bike should have a wheel "trueness" of something like 5mm vertical and 2mm lateral - a decent mechanic wouldn't let a wheel leave the shop with any visible variation.


The wheels are well within these limits, just not as true as I'd have liked

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Re: New Shimano Seems Poor Quality

Postby Chris James » Fri Jan 04, 2013 15:36 pm

Bozman wrote:The quality of Shimano groupsets dropped after the 5600,6600 and 7800 ranges, the new stuff doesn't have the finish and looks like pig metal, the shifting quality has dropped off the scale.


I have bikes with 5600 and also Sora 9 speed external cables (3300? 3400?).

Both shift fine.

The 5600 looks better.

My mate has 5700 on his new bike, it looks much the same finish as my 'old' 105 and it seesm to work okay.

i don't believe that Shimano quality has gone downhill. It sounds more like the OP's system is badly set up.


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