Chief Whip is rude to policemen

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby First Aspect » Fri Oct 19, 2012 20:36 pm

Origamist wrote:
Ian.B wrote:
veloevol wrote:I found you can have dealings with the police without resorting to swearing.

http://youtu.be/rMphhd8QCwA


Sorry, but I'm with the policeman on this one. This is on a par with that bloke on BBC Essex.


Eh? Looks like a buzz from an advanced police driver who should have known better. Why not use the full width of the bus lane to execute the undertake?
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby confused@BR » Sat Oct 20, 2012 20:12 pm

I know that this is a cycling forum and all that but he isn't Chief Whip anymore, just saying.
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Peat » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:00 am

I find it utterly depressing that he had been hounded out of his job for this.

I would wager that had any of the journo's/opposition had been told to do something as petty or unessescery by some over-officious plonker in a high-vis coat and a radio they would not respond too kindly either. I know i wouldn't.

Granted he shouldn't have gone sweary and you can say that because of his position, he should have shown humility, but give the guy a break. He's human.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:03 am

Guardian is pretty complimentary about his successor. Surprisingly so.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby walkingbootweather » Sun Oct 21, 2012 13:38 pm

Peat wrote:I find it utterly depressing that he had been hounded out of his job for this.

I would wager that had any of the journo's/opposition had been told to do something as petty or unessescery by some over-officious plonker in a high-vis coat and a radio they would not respond too kindly either. I know i wouldn't.

Granted he shouldn't have gone sweary and you can say that because of his position, he should have shown humility, but give the guy a break. He's human.


I think he may have got through the rant, swearing and use of the word pleb if he had fronted up and apologized. It is when he started on about "not using the words attributed to him" while studiously avoiding telling us what words he did use that his position became really dodgy. As a fairly impartial observer I thought his explanation lacked credability
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Origamist » Sun Oct 21, 2012 14:02 pm

The new chief whip, Sir George Young is certainly a man of the people: "the homeless are what you step over when you come out of the opera". F*cking patricians...

At least he rides a bike though, like Jimmy S used to:

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Oct 21, 2012 15:12 pm

Origamist wrote:The new chief whip, Sir George Young is certainly a man of the people: "the homeless are what you step over when you come out of the opera". F*cking patricians...



The context of that quote is to ridicule the rich, not the homeless. He's a left leaning Tory.

Mitchell was put in place to keep the rebellious younger Tory back benchers in line. It seems they're the ones that kept the pressure up on him...

I imagine that's partly why it went on for as long as it did.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Origamist » Sun Oct 21, 2012 15:40 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
Origamist wrote:The new chief whip, Sir George Young is certainly a man of the people: "the homeless are what you step over when you come out of the opera". F*cking patricians...



The context of that quote is to ridicule the rich, not the homeless. He's a left leaning Tory.



Out of interest, what was the context of the quip?

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Oct 21, 2012 15:43 pm

AFAIK some reasonably well off bloke was going on about the homeless and shelters and his opinions on the matter, to which Yong replied with that > as if to say "WTF do you know about the homeless?"

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby jimmypippa » Sun Oct 21, 2012 15:51 pm

walkingbootweather wrote:
Peat wrote:I find it utterly depressing that he had been hounded out of his job for this.

I would wager that had any of the journo's/opposition had been told to do something as petty or unessescery by some over-officious plonker in a high-vis coat and a radio they would not respond too kindly either. I know i wouldn't.

Granted he shouldn't have gone sweary and you can say that because of his position, he should have shown humility, but give the guy a break. He's human.


I think he may have got through the rant, swearing and use of the word pleb if he had fronted up and apologized. It is when he started on about "not using the words attributed to him" while studiously avoiding telling us what words he did use that his position became really dodgy. As a fairly impartial observer I thought his explanation lacked credability

There are many situations where the eventual resignation occurs because of the actual approach to damage limitation as opposed to the initial incident. I also gather that Mitchell managed to have remarkably few friends, which doesn't help if you do make a mistake.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Origamist » Sun Oct 21, 2012 16:37 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:AFAIK some reasonably well off bloke was going on about the homeless and shelters and his opinions on the matter, to which Yong replied with that > as if to say "WTF do you know about the homeless?"


If that is indeed the context, it puts a different complexion on the quote. Thank you. What is your source, btw?

According to Hansard, the ever-indignant Tony Banks tried to make political capital out of the quip in Dec 1992, but Young ignored the jibe in his reply:

Mr. Tony Banks Does the Minister not feel ashamed and embarrassed to see so many people sleeping on the streets of London when he is on his way to the opera? I do not suppose embarrassment is something that comes easily to Conservative Members because they could not care a damn about people who are sleeping rough?...

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby MaxwellBygraves » Sun Oct 21, 2012 17:46 pm

Tebbit droppin' sum bombs on Dave...
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Oct 21, 2012 18:55 pm

Origamist wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:AFAIK some reasonably well off bloke was going on about the homeless and shelters and his opinions on the matter, to which Yong replied with that > as if to say "WTF do you know about the homeless?"


If that is indeed the context, it puts a different complexion on the quote. Thank you. What is your source, btw?

According to Hansard, the ever-indignant Tony Banks tried to make political capital out of the quip in Dec 1992, but Young ignored the jibe in his reply:

Mr. Tony Banks Does the Minister not feel ashamed and embarrassed to see so many people sleeping on the streets of London when he is on his way to the opera? I do not suppose embarrassment is something that comes easily to Conservative Members because they could not care a damn about people who are sleeping rough?...



http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012 ... olice-pleb
On the surface, the old Etonian bicycling Baronet will look like a deeply inappropriate person to restore to an administration seeking to shed the patrician image created by Andrew Mitchell episode. But he is courteous, wry, insightful and very much on the left of his party. The quote frequently attributed to him that the homeless are what people leaving the opera have to step over was designed not to slight the homeless but ridicule the rich.


Is as good as I can find on the internet, but I remember it being discussed before at 6th form!

But that article lays on the love quite thickly with him.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby Origamist » Sun Oct 21, 2012 19:24 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012 ... olice-pleb
On the surface, the old Etonian bicycling Baronet will look like a deeply inappropriate person to restore to an administration seeking to shed the patrician image created by Andrew Mitchell episode. But he is courteous, wry, insightful and very much on the left of his party. The quote frequently attributed to him that the homeless are what people leaving the opera have to step over was designed not to slight the homeless but ridicule the rich.


Is as good as I can find on the internet, but I remember it being discussed before at 6th form!

But that article lays on the love quite thickly with him.


It does; no mention of the drink driving offence for example.Thanks for the link though. I might have been a bit harsh on the old Etonian (then again, I might not).

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby CiB » Wed Dec 19, 2012 09:15 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So it was all a lie. I'll just sit back and wait for the retractions from all of those who were queuing up on here to register their glee at having their anti-conservative party prejudices confirmed when it happened. I won't hold my breath.

It's a wry old world where you can be hounded out of your job on the basis of a bit of a cobbled together story that suits a particular agenda. I think the word I'm after is 'stinks'. It does. Let's hope heads roll over this.

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby TailWindHome » Wed Dec 19, 2012 09:28 am

CiB wrote: I'll just sit back and wait for the retractions from all of those who were queuing up on here to register their glee at having their anti-conservative party prejudices confirmed when it happened.


You do know they are only going to be replaced by anti police prejudices......
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby notsoblue » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:02 am

CiB wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So it was all a lie. I'll just sit back and wait for the retractions from all of those who were queuing up on here to register their glee at having their anti-conservative party prejudices confirmed when it happened. I won't hold my breath.

It's a wry old world where you can be hounded out of your job on the basis of a bit of a cobbled together story that suits a particular agenda. I think the word I'm after is 'stinks'. It does. Let's hope heads roll over this.

Er, he still swore at a police officer. He doesn't deny that. You think thats behaviour worthy of someone in that position?

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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby jds_1981 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:05 am

notsoblue wrote:Er, he still swore at a police officer. He doesn't deny that. You think thats behaviour worthy of someone in that position?

Not ideal, but I for one don't think it should in any way bar him.
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby pangolin » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:08 am

Yeah am I missing something?

He always maintained that he didn't call anyone a pleb, but did swear, and apologised for that.

Now it turns out that he didn't call anyone a pleb, but did swear.

Was he forced from his position because of the swearing or because nobody believed that he didn't call them a pleb?
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Re: Chief Whip is rude to policemen

Postby jds_1981 » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:13 am

/Think/ the story is that another police officer pretended to be a member of the public & sent an upset email to Randall knowing it would cause major issues. The video then showed that only one member of the public really even noticed the incident & the person(officer) who sent the email might not have even been there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20780584
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