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Falklands?

Postby mudcow007 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:42 am

it seems the "Argies" are kicking off again about the falkland's

do you reckon we should just give em back?
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Re: Falklands?

Postby rubertoe » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:44 am

Maybe we should let the residents of the islands decide what they want...
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Re: Falklands?

Postby Koncordski » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:49 am

rubertoe wrote:Maybe we should let the residents of the islands decide what they want...


This. They aren't ours, they aren't Argentina's. She's just sh1t stirring because her domestic situation is dire and it gives her an excuse to distract people from high unemployment and rampant inflation. It's all a bit boring really, which is why the FCO basically ignores all the bleating.
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Re: Falklands?

Postby The Rookie » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:52 am

there is to be a referendum this year just to prove they still want to be British, I blame the pathetic UN resolution from the 1960's telling us we have to have 'discussions' when there is nothing to discuss, means Argentina can claim we are breaking the resolution!

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Re: Falklands?

Postby Rolf F » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:52 am

Only if the Spanish Argentinians give Argentina back to the Indigenous South Americans.

British settlement of the Falklands predates the formation of the Spanish colony of Argentina so if anyone has a case for claiming back then maybe we should claim Argentina! :lol:
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Re: Falklands?

Postby gtvlusso » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:53 am

War with Argentina, I say!

Argentina would not be saying a damn thing if it were not for the fact that there is oil within the territorial waters......There are deep drilling rigs there at the moment, probing for liquid gold.

So, In all these years, it is only in recent history that Argentina has shown any interest in the Falklands, 1980 and now .....and coincidentally; Argentina has defaulted on it's loans, it's economy is f*cked. Funny how a country shows an interest when there is some oil/profit to gain from administering the Falklands, yet shown no interest for the previous ~100 years.....Whatever her name is; Elvira; needs a 'good news' story to stay in power and finding some oil or profiting from it wuld be great for her. Notice that her Government appropriated a French(?) oil company based in Argentina recently......

Throw them back in the sea, again and win at Football.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby mudcow007 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:55 am

i thought the natives want it to remain British though?

the President of Argy is saying the British Navy (god bless them) took the islands by force 180 years ago

Fernandez wrote:"Since then, Britain, the colonial power, has refused to return the territories to the Argentine Republic, thus preventing it from restoring its territorial integrity."
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Re: Falklands?

Postby gtvlusso » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:58 am

mudcow007 wrote:i thought the natives want it to remain British though?

the President of Argy is saying the British Navy (god bless them) took the islands by force 180 years ago

Fernandez wrote:"Since then, Britain, the colonial power, has refused to return the territories to the Argentine Republic, thus preventing it from restoring its territorial integrity."


They should have looked after them better....So, for 180 years they have allowed the UK to defend and administer them, unopposed....and now they want them back.

Definitely oil and money for Fernandez here....
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Re: Falklands?

Postby spen666 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:01 am

mudcow007 wrote:it seems the "Argies" are kicking off again about the falkland's

do you reckon we should just give em back?



So if I start demanding your property and possessions you'd just hand them to me?




BTW how can we "give em back when they have NEVER belonged to Argentina
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Re: Falklands?

Postby Rolf F » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:05 am

Can't wait to hear if Sean Penn will stick is empty head into this one. Last time he was gassing on about how we should pull out. I'm guessing he also wants to pull out of Hawaii (which does have an indigenous population unlike the Falklands) and probably Alaska. And for that matter, the rest of the States as well!

This topic does bring out the lunatics, Cristina Fernandez included.
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Re: Falklands?

Postby The Little Onion » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:46 pm

Bless Sean Pean - the Falklands have been part of Britain for longer than his home state (California) has been part of the US. Perhaps he should become Mexican.

It is worth noting that the bit of Argentina closest to the Falklands didn't become under Argentinean control until after 1890, during the genocidal "conquest of the desert". Even the Spanish colonial authorities ignored that bit of Patagonia.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby walkingbootweather » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:59 pm

Some people are just tools. Sean Penn is :wink:
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Re: Falklands?

Postby rhext » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:30 pm

Well, if they're that opposed to colonialism, they'll not care about things like (for example) the naming of bits of Antarctica.

I'd suggest that if they can find a single living indiginous Argentinian (as opposed to one of the Spanish-derived kind whose ancestors killed most of the natives) who can credibly demonstrate that they've been substantially inconvenienced by our ancestor's actions in 1830 then maybe there's a discussion to have.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby cjcp » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:36 pm

alien wrote:http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2013/01/dear-argentina.html

sums it up quite nicely!


:D

I skim-read a story on the BBC website this morning. It said that the Argentine PM was quoting a 1965 UN Resolution to "negotiate a solution". Presumably, this Resolution was around in 1982, when they embarked upon a slightly more agreessive form of negotiation...

Anyone seen "A Most Ungentlemanly Act"? Fantastic.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby First Aspect » Thu Jan 03, 2013 22:45 pm

Its black, its flammable, it comes from under the sea bed and it costs about $100 a barrel.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby jejv » Fri Jan 04, 2013 00:56 am

Whenever the Argie government is in the s h i t, they drag this up.

Thing is, the Falklands are a bit of an embarassment to us. We didn't really want them in the '80s. We'd have probably handed them over with scant regard for the islanders if the Argies had pursued more subtle, diplomatic means back then.

What the Argie goverment wants, then, and now is an expressive distraction from the mess their economy is in.

A rational but rubbish Cristina Fernández de Kirchner doesn't want the Falklands - she want's the Falklands to stay British, so she has something to make a distraction with.

Please follow this link, if you really are interested:
http://www.economist.com/node/21548242
de Kirchner has been harrassing, arresting, and prosecuting economists for attempting to publish accurate economic statistics.
The Economist wrote:Had we switched to one of the provincial statistical offices still generating reliable figures, we fear it would have come under government pressure. One of the country's best independent analysts made us a generous—and brave—offer of its data against legal advice and on condition that we conceal the source and lightly disguise the numbers. That might have generated confusion.


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Re: Falklands?

Postby Mr Sworld » Fri Jan 04, 2013 02:02 am

If the Argentinians hadn't invaded them we would have probably handed them over a long time ago.

A small colony in the South Atlantic no one really knew about until the war? There would have been some Foreign Office deal by now to 'power share' and 'mineral wealth share' by now.

The Junta were posturing just as the present Argentinian government are doing now.

(BTW this is no endorsement of Thatchers stance at the time)

Even before the oil field discovery we wouldn't of given the Islands back. A military airport right next to Antarctica is not something you sign away lightly in this day and age.

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Re: Falklands?

Postby rubertoe » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:20 am

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Re: Falklands?

Postby jimmypippa » Fri Jan 04, 2013 22:49 pm

cjcp wrote:
alien wrote:http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2013/01/dear-argentina.html

sums it up quite nicely!


:D

I skim-read a story on the BBC website this morning. It said that the Argentine PM was quoting a 1965 UN Resolution to "negotiate a solution". Presumably, this Resolution was around in 1982, when they embarked upon a slightly more agreessive form of negotiation...

Anyone seen "A Most Ungentlemanly Act"? Fantastic.

Today's other topics: Gibraltar and the Elgin Marbles. :twisted:


Well there is a case for returning the Elgin Marbles.

If the inhabitants of Gibraltar want to join Spain, then we should allow them to. I seem to recall that they weren't terribly keen on it.


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