How good are cat 2s?

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby Paul 8v » Sun Nov 11, 2012 22:01 pm

If he's that good it might be a good learning experience at least!

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby racingcondor » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:29 pm

JoeBond wrote:Theres this bloke at work who reckons he’s a bit handy on a bike


He was right :D .

As others have said. Do it, expect to get owned and take it with good grace. As others have said, depending on the route you might even win.

Once you've done that I'd make friends with him and get on his training rides. Best way to improve, ride with people better than you.

Oh and. Drink less beer :lol: .

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby Navrig » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:08 pm

Grow some sideburns and when they are bushy enough ask Wiggo to stand in for you. The other bloke wont notice.

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby Monty Dog » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:21 pm

Is this akin to the "Cav can't climb" analogy cos he's a "sprinter" when in reality, Cav would drop most Elite / 1st cat riders with ease - just that he's relatively 'rubbish' at climbing compared to his peers?
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby amaferanga » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:36 pm

Crispyapp wrote:Take cavendish for example, he's the fastest man on the planet in a sprint, however put him in a mountain range and he useless.


That's not quite right. It's relative. He's far from a useless climber compared to >99% of the cycling population.
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby MrSweary » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:16 pm

Whatever happens please ensure that someone is filming at both the start and the finish... we await a youtube link :D
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby Crispyapp » Mon Nov 12, 2012 18:21 pm

amaferanga wrote:
Crispyapp wrote:Take cavendish for example, he's the fastest man on the planet in a sprint, however put him in a mountain range and he useless.


That's not quite right. It's relative. He's far from a useless climber compared to >99% of the cycling population.


Monty Dog wrote:Is this akin to the "Cav can't climb" analogy cos he's a "sprinter" when in reality, Cav would drop most Elite / 1st cat riders with ease - just that he's relatively 'rubbish' at climbing compared to his peers?


I knew this would come up after I'd posted it..... Yes quite clearly he's not a crap climber, he won the green jersey in the tour which clearly takes climbing as well as sprinting into account. And yes he would most probably destroy 99% of our elite riders your right.
What I mean is if this guy is gonna race a 2nd cat it has to be on mutual ground. You can't say I'm gonna race him on a hill and kick his ass cos I'm a great climber. Already he would have a disadvantage if he's not a good climber. The only true way to tell would be a time trial.
Cavendish wouldn't stand a chance racing contador up alpe du huez would he and visa a versa down the champs Élysées ... You get my point. I hope.
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby Rolf F » Mon Nov 12, 2012 19:03 pm

You have one hope. Get him to agree to him not knowing what the race is until the day. Get yourself a mountain bike and fit it with slicks. Watch your Cat 2 arrive with his standard crankset and 11-25 cassette.

The test is 10 times up and down Hardknott Pass. Neither of you will complete it but there's just a chance that he'll die before he finishes - all you need to do is keep going longer.
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby ChrisAOnABike » Mon Nov 12, 2012 19:08 pm

Rolf F wrote:The test is 10 times up and down Hardknott Pass. Neither of you will complete it but there's just a chance that he'll die before he finishes

I practically die just thinking about it. I can barely drive it, let alone ride it.
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby cougie » Tue Nov 13, 2012 18:14 pm

Brilliant story.

I'd challenge him to a 10m TT. Enter an open event next year. That way you'll not have to race him for very long and you might not even get overtaken by him (depending on how they seed it). And there's always the chance that he may puncture. Which I think is the only chance you have. He will kick your ars* on a hilly sportif I bet and you won't see him for dust.

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby mamba80 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 19:34 pm

JoeBond wrote:Beacuse he’s heavier than me and his bike isn’t as good. I can do a gold standard sportive.


Well...what about YOU? ex pro? former Elite rider perhaps? maybe it wont be quite as one sided as others have suggested :lol:

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby oldwelshman » Wed Nov 14, 2012 00:13 am

Crispyapp wrote:Hi I used to race as a 2nd cat and yes the races are generally quick however everybody's style is different. Because he's a 2nd cat it doesn't mean he will be any good on climbs, it does however mean he would easily be able to sit on your wheel and probably stay there all day.

I'm heavier than my pals I ride with each week and cannot keep up on the climbs but as soon as the road levels off no matter how tired I might have been I can sit on the front and turn a gear where I start opening a gap. The only fair way for this race to go ahead would be to find some level ground between you both and go from there.

Take cavendish for example, he's the fastest man on the planet in a sprint, however put him in a mountain range and he useless.

Bit of a bad comparrison that, depends what your meauring Cav against.
If you put him against domestic pros he would outclimb all of them.
Put him against Wiggo, Contador and Froome and yes he may not do so well but to say he is useless shows your lack of knowledge :-) Did he not win Milan San Remo also? Recall there being a bump in that to and some pretty good riders in that also. Maybe the op should challenge Cav?

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby kieranb » Wed Nov 14, 2012 16:32 pm

So what are these races he's won? Gold standard on a sportive is a bit vague as for some sportives that is a real challenge on others it is not. If you are used to doing long rides you may have the endurance to keep a fairly high speed up constantly, the 2nd cat may be 2nd cat due to superior recovery from numerous maximal efforts during a race but long distance endurance might not be much better, especially if he makes max use of bunch riding and you do solo efforts on the sportive. If you enter a proper road race no question he'll beat you though.

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby dmclite-3.0 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 17:43 pm

Yep, I got the best time on the Romney Marsh sportive a couple of years ago, but got a kicking in Cat 3/4 races in the Serrl league the same year. Pick a short sportive, 60 miles or so and give it a go. Also train like a Bastardo until the event and downplay your prep to him, psy-war rules. :D
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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby ad_snow » Thu Nov 15, 2012 18:13 pm

Come on OP, is there an update to this? Must have been a week since the drinking session ;)

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby ozzzyosborn206 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 18:35 pm

I am 2nd cat and if someone who has done a few sportives challenged me to a race i think i would be quite confident in being able to ride away from him......unless the sportives he had done were in Italy where by the sounds of it they a rock hard, it will be a good laugh regardless, have you searched him on BC website to see where he got his points? if you race every week at Hillingdon or similar it would be dead easy to rack up 100+ points

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby leepez » Thu Nov 15, 2012 20:42 pm

ad_snow wrote:Come on OP, is there an update to this? Must have been a week since the drinking session ;)


He must have one hell of a hangover :D

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby racingcondor » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 pm

ozzzyosborn206 wrote:If you race every week at Hillingdon or similar it would be dead easy to rack up 100+ points.


Easy on my ego Ozzy!

Yours, crit racing London based 3rd Cat :D

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby vorsprung » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:06 pm

amaferanga wrote:Before I started racing properly I did a few sportives. I was quickest in one and about 6th quickest in the other. I started racing that year and I was sh!t compared to even an average 3rd Cat.

Sportive rider against a 2nd Cat is a bit like a 2nd Cat against an Elite. No contest really. That is unless you're actually a gifted cyclist who could be a 2nd Cat or better yourself.


I have to agree. Last summer I was in reasonable state and decided to do a 25 mile TT with my club. I don't normally TT. Everyone beat me except the two women and the 70 year old bloke.

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Re: How good are cat 2s?

Postby JoeBond » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:55 pm

Hi all. Update is this.
Weve discussed our race at work and my opponent says that a sportive isn’t a race!
But he agrees that it might be difficult for us to get in the same race because I don’t have a licnese yet so organisers might not accept me and we would be in different races anyaway in a crit. So he very generously says I can practice if I want and do the race later in the year.
But…
I am thinking though that a time trial will be better. Consensus on here is that I will get thrashed in a road race. This also seems to be the view of everyone else I know, including all of my cycling friends!
I’ve never done a TT either. What distance do you guys think would give me the best chance?


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