How do i get faster?

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby ShutUpLegs » Sun Jan 13, 2013 20:19 pm

FlacVest wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
neeb wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
neeb wrote:Don't even think about core strength exercises and gym work at your stage, just get out and ride as much as you can...


May I ask why?

Assuming that the OP is a complete beginner it's just going to be a distraction from the main objective of getting time on the bike and developing cycling strength, ability and fitness through actually cycling. Any gains to be made from doing anything else at that stage are going to be minuscule next to the really big gains to be made by just riding. It's a different story once you have reached a certain level and your rate of improvement is beginning to flatten out, but if you are starting from scratch the way to become better at riding a bike is just to get out and do it.

Of course core strength exercises etc. are a good thing for anyone to do and may help protect against back pain etc, but it's not doing to be the thing that lets you go from being able to maintain a 14mph average to an 18mph average.


True. But if a stronger core strength means the OP is more comfortable on the bike and as a result can ride longer distances with greater efficiency then this is a good thing and will speed up their cycling fitness and ultimately their speed. And doing core work doesn't have to detract from cycling time - I do my core/weight work during work lunchtimes.


I agree; if you're starting out, and you want to become somewhat aerodynamic in the drops or hooks, you'll use muscles in your lower back as well that you aren't normally using; I remember the first month or two on my bike being hell for a week or so, simply due to my lower back not having developed the muscles for stabilization.

My stem is flipped and lowered, so I have a noticeable drop from the saddle; now I'm comfortably spending 30% of my time in the drops, 10% on the TT bars, and 60% on the hoods.


You have a flipped stem & TT bars on your road bike? WOW you must be a serious cyclist.
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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby FlacVest » Sun Jan 13, 2013 22:06 pm

You have a flipped stem & TT bars on your road bike? WOW you must be a serious cyclist.[/quote]

It was for clarification.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Mikey23 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 22:12 pm

Core strength is logical and important. Having powerful legs and weak and flabby upper body is going to make you unbalanced and inefficient whatever activity you are engaged. For what it's worth I'm a UKA coach. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves and going against years of sport science evidence

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby neeb » Sun Jan 13, 2013 22:26 pm

I for one am not arguing against core strength exercises, only the wisdom of presenting them as a primary method for a beginning cyclist to get faster on the bike. If the OP is able to do core strength work that's great, but not if it's in any way a substitute for riding.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Mikey23 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 08:09 am

I agree...

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Mikey23 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 09:57 am

But I didn't get the impression that the op was a beginner but wants to improve from 14 to 18 so i would encourage other training methodology other than just 'riding your bike'.

And it wasn't posted on the beginners forum

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby neeb » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:15 am

I assumed he was a beginner because he said he'd "just bought some clips"...

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby smidsy » Mon Jan 14, 2013 19:17 pm

I assumed he was a beginner as he only joined BR in Nov 12 and has very few posts (although that could mean he is out riding rather than on the interweb), can only average 14mph and has just bought some clips :-)
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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Davey C » Fri Jan 18, 2013 15:21 pm

Mikey23 wrote:Core strength is logical and important. Having powerful legs and weak and flabby upper body is going to make you unbalanced and inefficient whatever activity you are engaged. For what it's worth I'm a UKA coach. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves and going against years of sport science evidence


Jesus wept.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby neeb » Fri Jan 18, 2013 16:06 pm

Davey C wrote:
Mikey23 wrote:Core strength is logical and important. Having powerful legs and weak and flabby upper body is going to make you unbalanced and inefficient whatever activity you are engaged. For what it's worth I'm a UKA coach. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves and going against years of sport science evidence


Jesus wept.

Perhaps because he didn't do his core strength exercises before being crucified? It would have helped a bit. Well, prolonged it a bit anyway.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Froomes Edgar » Fri Jan 18, 2013 16:09 pm

neeb wrote:
Davey C wrote:
Mikey23 wrote:Core strength is logical and important. Having powerful legs and weak and flabby upper body is going to make you unbalanced and inefficient whatever activity you are engaged. For what it's worth I'm a UKA coach. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves and going against years of sport science evidence


Jesus wept.

Perhaps because he didn't do his core strength exercises before being crucified? It would have helped a bit. Well, prolonged it a bit anyway.


Well he'd have had an easier time carrying the cross at least

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Davey C » Fri Jan 18, 2013 17:54 pm

Froomes Edgar wrote:
neeb wrote:
Davey C wrote:
Mikey23 wrote:Core strength is logical and important. Having powerful legs and weak and flabby upper body is going to make you unbalanced and inefficient whatever activity you are engaged. For what it's worth I'm a UKA coach. Anyone who thinks differently is deluding themselves and going against years of sport science evidence


Jesus wept.

Perhaps because he didn't do his core strength exercises before being crucified? It would have helped a bit. Well, prolonged it a bit anyway.


Well he'd have had an easier time carrying the cross at least

I'd argue that the best way to improve your ability to be crucified is to focus solely on being crucified.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Froomes Edgar » Fri Jan 18, 2013 18:00 pm

Oddly, this is the one time the specificity of training principle doesn't apply, due to the unfortunate matter of death at the end of a workout. That said, if you make it a hard enough session, you'll be good to go again in 3 days. I believe Graeme Obree used to train this way for his hour record attempt.

To be clear, I mean he used to ride an hour flat out, then do it again a few days later. AFAIK, he never returned from the dead.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Davey C » Fri Jan 18, 2013 19:04 pm

What if I just 88 - 95% crucify myself?

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby Froomes Edgar » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:16 pm

Davey C wrote:What if I just 88 - 95% crucify myself?


Makes sense. By not killing yourself, you'll be able to train again sooner than 3 days thus achieve a higher overall level of fitness.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby neeb » Sat Jan 19, 2013 14:38 pm

If you can be resurrected, dying during crucifixion isn't necessarily a problem. Seem to remember that there's usually a three day gap between death and resurrection however, so you should perhaps restrict training-until-death to once monthly sessions or at specified points in the season. Think of it like an all-out FTP test. Don't underestimate the recovery needed after death, even if you are god incarnate. Mouldering in a tomb for three days isn't ideal recovery. Consider taking an embalming fluid, you can get these in powdered form from your local Egyptian temple.

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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby smidsy » Sat Jan 19, 2013 16:05 pm

To the OP - see what happens when you ask stupid questions. The posts decend into all sorts of tripe.

If you want to go faster pedal harder. :-)
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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby bernithebiker » Sat Jan 19, 2013 16:22 pm

smidsy wrote:To the OP - see what happens when you ask stupid questions. The posts decend into all sorts of tripe.

If you want to go faster pedal harder. :-)


Noone's noticed, but the OP lost interest 9 days ago...........
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Re: How do i get faster?

Postby coriordan » Sat Jan 19, 2013 17:28 pm

Have you tried doing squats?


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