Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

New to Cycling? Want some advice? Start here...
User avatar
ddraver
Posts: 17374
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 15:57 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:06 pm

I need you all to threaten to call me Susan again for tonight...
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
- @ddraver
- Blog-http://davekio.wordpress.com/

User avatar
PeteMadoc
Posts: 2494
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2010 23:17 pm
Contact:

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby PeteMadoc » Thu Nov 15, 2012 13:22 pm

What's the school of thought on hard turbo training in the winter?

I hear some people saying they leave it until early spring before then do hard intervals as there's no point doing them in the winter and you risk injury/sickness or overtraining.

My goals are to win some crits, improve in TTs and hill climbs and maybe do a road race if I get time. Currently do a 50+ mile weekend ride, at least 1 turbo session maybe 2 per week and take it easy riding to work each day.

Dashik
Posts: 147
Joined: Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:29 am

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Dashik » Thu Nov 15, 2012 13:46 pm

I'd say it depends on your goals/needs.

I need to try and maintain/improve my fitness from a 49 year old overweight beginners position.

So for me it helps me lose weight and improve my performance on the days I am short of time or the weather is bad. I can do a decent session on the Turbo at home probably slightly longer than going for a ride knowing I won't have any problems with traffic or anything that would make me late for work.

As usual it's about what suits the individual :D

User avatar
Wrath Rob
Posts: 2757
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 21:53 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Wrath Rob » Thu Nov 15, 2012 15:38 pm

@Nap D (and anyone else): Here's an example of Trainerroad and Sufferfest combined. Suffice to say it hurt. You can clearly see that I need to change from 5s smoothing of the power curve (yellow trace) as it takes too long to climb, shoots over the level required (even if I'm actually at the right level), takes too long to fall and then dips too far under.

I'd highly recommend this to anyone who's got a turbo and the Sufferfest vids. It makes pacing sooo much easier. Last time I did Downward Spiral I went off way too hard and paid the price in the 2nd set. This time I was better paced. Net result was a more effective workout, e.g. my NP went from 217w to 253w. I'm sure my fitness hasn't improved by 36w in 3 weeks!
FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.

User avatar
ddraver
Posts: 17374
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 15:57 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 15, 2012 22:52 pm

I am Revolver'd out (but not Susan, Seriously BR spent all this money on a training site, they should have just had a facility to abuse people that didnt get their ars* in to gear. That's way more effective!)

Rob - Is this something to use with Power or could it also be useful for the less rich?
We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
- @ddraver
- Blog-http://davekio.wordpress.com/

User avatar
Wrath Rob
Posts: 2757
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 21:53 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Wrath Rob » Fri Nov 16, 2012 15:04 pm

ddraver wrote:I am Revolver'd out (but not Susan, Seriously BR spent all this money on a training site, they should have just had a facility to abuse people that didnt get their ars* in to gear. That's way more effective!)

Rob - Is this something to use with Power or could it also be useful for the less rich?

Trainerroad does "virtual power". Basically it has power vs speed curves of loads of turbos so based on wheel speed it can guestimate your power. It even has different curves for different resistance levels of the same turbo. As long as conditions are consistent between runs (temperature, tyre pressure etc) you should get a figure that you can compare across sessions. More detail here
FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.

User avatar
nweststeyn
Posts: 1565
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 21:03 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby nweststeyn » Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:46 pm

Since starting to use Sufferfest videos, I have enjoyed Turbo Trainer time 100x more than before.

Sore though, innit!!!

User avatar
thegreatdivide
Posts: 4245
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:12 am

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby thegreatdivide » Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:55 pm

nweststeyn wrote:Since starting to use Sufferfest videos, I have enjoyed Turbo Trainer time 100x more than before.

Sore though, innit!!!


For added pain hang a COG Velo jersey on the wall in front of you ;-)
"Crevaison sur les paves..."

User avatar
nweststeyn
Posts: 1565
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 21:03 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby nweststeyn » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:36 pm

thegreatdivide wrote:
nweststeyn wrote:Since starting to use Sufferfest videos, I have enjoyed Turbo Trainer time 100x more than before.

Sore though, innit!!!


For added pain hang a COG Velo jersey on the wall in front of you ;-)


Cracking idea... I will have to obtain one through foul means, not fair, though...

Castleman
Posts: 7
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 14:31 pm
Contact:

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Castleman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 13:58 pm

Great thread and really looking at getting back into turbo-ing.
I borrowed one a couple of years ago off a mate and it did wonders. After a year off, it's time to start cycling regularly again!

So, was wondering about any experiences of the Minoura B60-R vs the Tacx Satori.

My key constraints are noise, budget and being able to put it away when not in use (as in spare room unfortunately).

Any advice gratefully received!

User avatar
NapoleonD
Posts: 18117
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2011 19:51 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby NapoleonD » Wed Nov 21, 2012 14:14 pm

I had a tacx satori but ended up changing to a Cycleops jet fluid pro. The jet fluid 2 is very good too. I find it. Smoother than the satori and if it matters, the jet fluid pro had a much more consistent speed/power relationship.
Twitter - @NapD
Strava - Dense Voigt

Castleman
Posts: 7
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 14:31 pm
Contact:

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Castleman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 14:20 pm

Cheers! What was bad about the satori?

Ps don't i recognise you from tritalk...?

User avatar
NapoleonD
Posts: 18117
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2011 19:51 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby NapoleonD » Wed Nov 21, 2012 14:46 pm

Tritalk? Nope, must be a imposter!

Apart from the jet fluid feeling more natural, the speed/power relationship was inconsistent over a session and between sessions. It was much more temperamental to changes in temp. It would probably have benefitted from a bigger flywheel.

It was ideal for taking to races to warm up though...
Twitter - @NapD
Strava - Dense Voigt

Caller
Posts: 105
Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 09:15 am

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Caller » Thu Nov 22, 2012 18:00 pm

I'm new to turbo's, just ordered myself a CycleOps Fluid2 trainer which I'm planning on using with my singlespeed.

The singlespeed's running 45/18 at the moment, should this be ok on the turbo or would I be better off converting it to 1x10 with the spares I've got knocking about in the garage?

I'm planning on just using it through the winter to keep myself fit, probably with a couple of the Sufferfest videos.

User avatar
NapoleonD
Posts: 18117
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2011 19:51 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby NapoleonD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 08:35 am

Good choice of turbo.

You'd be better off with gears so you can work at a much bigger variety of intensities.
Twitter - @NapD
Strava - Dense Voigt

Caller
Posts: 105
Joined: Wed May 09, 2012 09:15 am

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Caller » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:52 am

NapoleonD wrote:Good choice of turbo.

You'd be better off with gears so you can work at a much bigger variety of intensities.


Thanks for that. I though that might be the case but wasn't sure.

Looks like I need to raid the spares box :D

hulla the hulla
Posts: 333
Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 15:06 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby hulla the hulla » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:27 pm

Did my first Sufferfest this morning - Angels. Have to say I really enjoyed it in a peverse, sweaty and painful way and the hour flew by. Will be looking to DL some more of the vid's for a bit of variety. Good value too.
A person who aims at nothing is sure to hit it

Canyon Aeroad 7.0 summer missile
Trek 2.1 winter hack

User avatar
Wrath Rob
Posts: 2757
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 21:53 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Wrath Rob » Fri Nov 23, 2012 14:50 pm

hulla the hulla wrote:Did my first Sufferfest this morning - Angels. Have to say I really enjoyed it in a peverse, sweaty and painful way and the hour flew by. Will be looking to DL some more of the vid's for a bit of variety. Good value too.

I did Angels last night (coupled with Trainerroad). Had a great session, though I wasn't sure I was going to make it through the last climb. 8 mins over threshold plus those attacks almost killed me. Still, new season's training records for 5, 10, 20 and 60 mins power plus new NP best (by a measly 2w) shows its all working.

@NapD: How are you getting on with Trainerroad?
FCN3: Titanium Qoroz.

hulla the hulla
Posts: 333
Joined: Tue Aug 30, 2011 15:06 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby hulla the hulla » Fri Nov 23, 2012 16:08 pm

NapoleonD wrote:(sweet spot if you can measure it, very difficult with heart rate in such a short interval)


Nap, what is this "sweetspot" you talk of ? Apologies in advance, I've not read the whole thread so if it's buried in here somewhere tell me to go dig myself. If not...Qu'est-ce que c'est?
A person who aims at nothing is sure to hit it

Canyon Aeroad 7.0 summer missile
Trek 2.1 winter hack

User avatar
Bobbinogs
Posts: 3994
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 19:52 pm

Re: Turbo Training for Beginners - a NapD guide

Postby Bobbinogs » Fri Nov 23, 2012 19:39 pm

hulla the hulla wrote:Did my first Sufferfest this morning - Angels. Have to say I really enjoyed it in a peverse, sweaty and painful way and the hour flew by. Will be looking to DL some more of the vid's for a bit of variety. Good value too.


Yeah Angels is great and it must suit my natural strengths as I can go through it, suffer but do so with a smile. I like doing Fight Club but can only do it just as it is, I simply cannot repeatedly do the attacks properly and then maintain the normal suffering levels...before attacking again. Hence, I have to ignore many of the attacks or I just trail off and get popped out the back of the peloton ( :) ), bloody demoralising but its always nice to have a challenge!


Return to “Road Beginners”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests