new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

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new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Sun Oct 07, 2012 21:49 pm

so the triban 3 i bought on friday had its first proper outing today after I had decorated the upstairs middle bedroom - wife orders :oops:

did 23 miles and moved up the strava league tables on the segments near me.

needed to stop a couple of times to adjust my riding position and need to get rid of the not so comfy saddle and move away from the basic pedals that came with the bike.

niggles after the ride:

- hands were a little sore with the more forward position, had my gel palm gloves which i was glad of
- upper back / should blades were aching a bit - again more weight forward from leaning forwards on the bike compared to my c456 mtb

any suggestions on tweaks I could make?

- shorter stem to reduce the reach? or just get more miles on the bike first?

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Simon Masterson » Sun Oct 07, 2012 22:14 pm

There is a chance that a different stem length will improve your position on the bike, but so will proper posture, saddle height, position and orientation, and so on. Certainly not a 'night and day' difference; it will take you a few rides to get used to the position, so you're right that you just need to put more miles in.

However, what I will say is that ideally your saddle fore-aft position should be such that your upper body isn't taking the weight, and that WILL affect your comfort. Have a read of this article; I think he outlines the basics very well. http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby sharky1029 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 22:16 pm

I would recommend getting more time on the bike first before buying new parts that are not broken.
It is probably you are just quite stiff in your back which you haven't found out about while on a mountain bike, I found the same thing after getting on my road bike for the first time in a while.
This should help if that is the issue: http://www.bikeradar.com/fitness/articl ... sts-26074/

Also, consider making adjustments which do not require new parts:
Try removing spacers above the stem if there are any and consider flipping the stem : most have 2 angles depending on the way up they are.
Also, you could try moving the saddle forwards on the rails but make sure you still feel comfortable pedalling as it can affect your power output (both positively and negatively)
You can also try adjusting bar angle but this is the least likely to have an effect on your position.

If all else fails, a shorter stem may help but if you go too short it can become a bit fidgety, especially at high speeds (Unlike a mtb where a short stem is great)

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Sprool » Sun Oct 07, 2012 22:29 pm

+1 for getting some more time in the saddle first, esp after being used to a MTB. Gel gloves can alleviate the symptoms - theres a lot more vibrations with 100psi skinny tyres than your big cushy MTB tyres - but they do not solve a problem. Stem flipping worked well for me transitioning to a road bike after 8 years of MTB only, just getting the bars raised a bit felt much more comfortable. Its probably my gut and lack of flexibility that's the issue here, not the bike fit. I also felt like I was having to reach really far when i first got my road bike, I swapped the 110mm stem for a 90mm but it just squashed me up more, esp when riding the drops, even though it brought my line of vision back into what is perceived as being better - where the bar hides the view of the front hub. I put the 110mm stem back on, kept it flipped upwards and got a couple of weeks of good miles in, and its feeling pretty spot on for me now.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 08, 2012 06:55 am

I wouldn't change too much because your body has got to get used to a new riding position, just make sure that your saddle is the right height.
I've ridden motorbikes for years and every time i buy a new one i'll ache somewhere different for a few weeks, all down to a different riding position. A mtb is a world away from a road bike so your body will need plenty of time to adjust.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Mon Oct 08, 2012 09:38 am

cheers will have a good read.

i certainly felt I was sliding forwards on the outward leg, fixed after some adjustment. I have a charge spoon on my mtb so I am going to give that a go to see how that changes things

noted on the stem and getting out more.

tyres - i have the stock btwin 23mm tyres ones on, not sure what the opinions on them are, but I felt ok on them yesterday. from reading around going wider may also improve comfort some more? 25mm on the back maybe and 23 on the front? again will see how I get on / try to wear out the existing ones before spending more money! (continential gp4000s seem to be well recommended)

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Sprool » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:48 am

i wouldnt mix tyre sizes. The front is where a lot of the vibrations will come from so either try out 25's front and back or just put in some more miles on the stock rubber. These are likely to be entry-level tyres and you may feel a good gain later from a higher spec lighter tyre. Theres a lot of angular momentum held in a spinning wheel.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Gizmo_ » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:30 pm

"Fast, reliable, comfortable" sounds like a "pick two" situation.

I agree that you need to get some miles in to settle into the position. When I started on my road bike I felt like the hoods were a long stretch away - after a couple of hundred miles it was just right, but now I feel like the saddle is a touch too low and tilted a smidge too far forward, so I need to adjust that. Little tweaks...
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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby zx6man » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:58 pm

Charge spoon on my MTB too, for the cash def get one for roadie.
My road bike I had to change the stem from 120mm to 90mm, and its now perfect for me.
has anyone run a bike with 23's and then 25's... I can't tell too much difference to be honest.
MTB to roadie, just takes a few weeks to bed in as suggested.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby zx6man » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:59 pm

noted on your pic the seat looks angled back quite a bit? And again +1 for the flip of the stem..

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 08, 2012 14:31 pm

zx6man wrote:noted on your pic the seat looks angled back quite a bit? And again +1 for the flip of the stem..


Why would you flip the stem? You've got to give the body chance to settle not give-in at the first hurdle, fair enough if you're sixty or have back issues but not after the first ride.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Sprool » Mon Oct 08, 2012 17:00 pm

I realised after the 6 mile ride home from the bike shop that the handlebar position was too low for me. I persevered another couple of days riding then flipped the stem, it was instantly so much more comfortable and i was able to ride further for longer in comfort. Maybe when I'm regularly cycling 50 milers at the weekends I may flip it back, but its not as if its a big job to try out and make the ride more comfortable if you are a bit inflexible. Its your bike, the stems are designed to be flipped!

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:34 pm

nipped out at lunch. put my spd pedals and shoes on from my mtb (m530's) felt much more stable on the pedals compared to the cheap toes clips.

only a 8 mile blast and approx 40mins.

managed to bag a KOM local to me and get a 2nd best time on another segment moving up to 17th. :mrgreen:

still a little tense in my back but felt comfier overall. more miles will tell.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby zx6man » Tue Oct 09, 2012 13:38 pm

Bozman wrote:
zx6man wrote:noted on your pic the seat looks angled back quite a bit? And again +1 for the flip of the stem..


Why would you flip the stem? You've got to give the body chance to settle not give-in at the first hurdle, fair enough if you're sixty or have back issues but not after the first ride.


Flip just makes it more upright, so less of a back stretch. Not all new riders want the race position on a road bike (new riders may find their bellies in the way anyway :D )

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Tue Oct 16, 2012 16:56 pm

another first this evening...first time out in just bibs, leg warmers and thermal top plus ss jersey - i.e. no overshorts to the lycra :mrgreen:

still aching between the shoulder blades, going to play with the seat again and bars.

knocked 10 seconds off one of the more challenging strava segments on my 11mile loop 8)

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Il Principe » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:13 am

Out of interest what size is the frame and what height are you? Saddle looks very high to me.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:23 pm

6ft and half an inch, 33inch inside leg approx - size 57cm triban 3. I have been watching some bike fit videos at pedal precision in manchester and was thinking I might be too high in the saddle.

planning to fettle a bit when home tomorrow

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby Il Principe » Wed Oct 17, 2012 13:00 pm

Yeah it does look high. A good test is to have someone ride behind you, if your hips are rocking up and down loads then it's too high.

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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby giant man » Wed Oct 17, 2012 13:50 pm

you need a bike fit to get the correct position. Your sizing seems ok, just the actual fit imo.
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Re: new bike - first outing today, couple of niggles

Postby frazered » Wed Oct 17, 2012 13:56 pm

Pedal precision for approx 60 quid looks good value at the manc velodrome?


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