Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

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Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby SecretSam » Thu Nov 22, 2012 19:09 pm

Seconds out...

So - am considering treating myself to a new dream machine, but don't really understand which groupsets stack up against each other and (deep breath) which is the best choice...

I've got Sora on my bike, actually on 2 of them, and perfectly happy as it fits my relatively undemanding needs. But I've always hankered after a Campag bike (I'm from the school that thinks calling them "Campy" is an aberration of vile proportions... :roll: ) so would also consider them...and SRAM get some good reviews, although their lower end kits looks...basic, but I hear their brakes for example are excellent.

So, come on then...

PS: thinking of around shimano 105 quality ish
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby smidsy » Thu Nov 22, 2012 19:24 pm

If you have always had Shimano I would suggest that the other brands will take time to get used to (if you can).

e.g Sram use a 'double tap' system which is a love/hate system for me.
Campag have a specific hood shape which I found I could not get on with etc.

This has meant that my Basso has ended up being Ultegra rather that Campag (which is a shame as I always wanted campag in the 80's as a 13 year old with no money). Plus it would have been nice to keep it Italian. Hey Ho.

You need to try em before spending out.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby NapoleonD » Thu Nov 22, 2012 19:26 pm

Rival vs 105 vs Athena.

Only thing to bear in mind is if you are switching to campagnolo you'll need some new tools and the freehub on your rear wheel will need to be changed.

Get the one you like the feel of the hoods on. If you like them all, get the one that looks best to you. If you like the looking them all get the cheapest.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby g00se » Thu Nov 22, 2012 19:56 pm

I would say Veloce is a smidge below 105 and Centaur is a smidge above.

Athena is identical to Centaur but 11 speed rather than 10 and has the option of skeleton brakes.

Centaur also has the option of red anodised trim, carbon cranks and has carbon levers.

Price wise, at the usual discount place, Veloce is a few quid cheaper than 105 and Centaur a little more. Athena is a fair bit more.

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby southdownswolf » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:14 pm

Depends how much you are looking to spend and which manufacturers shifters you prefer.

105 can be had for about £400.
Campagnolo for £400 you are looking at Veloce or maybe Centaur for a few £'s more. However you will also need a new hub for the cassette as the hub on your current wheels is for Shimano/SRam.
Sram would be bottom of the range (but still comparable with Shimano mid level 105) Apex.

It really does depend on which you prefer the feel of, try a test ride on each of the systems if you can.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby thegreatdivide » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:21 pm

Sora uses the same sort of principle as Campagnolo shifters doesn't it? Moving to Campagnolo wouldn't be much of a change then.

Veloce is a solid groupset and I use it on my everyday bike, but you can pick up Centaur for £420/432 at the moment from Shiny Bikes. I'd go for that.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:29 pm

If you re buying a dream bike you can afford to spend some time trying out each and seeing what works best for you, This is more or less something that you CAN find out with a quick spin around the shop car park (although obviously a proper test ride is best)

I find SRAM best for my small girl hands, but use Shimano on the MTB. In terms of quality they re all identical so all it comes down to is personal preference.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby Buckled_Rims » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:36 pm

I prefer Campagnolo, unfortunately, I bought 105 in a big way a few years ago to keep both my road bike and CX bike as interchangeably with their parts as much as possible. I don't like their shifters or hoods. Also, a small grievance is that Campy gear seems to be a bit cheaper. On the other hand Shimano is easily maintained. I've never used SRAM on a road bike so can't comment on that system.

But, it's a personal choice, and sometimes it can take a while to appreciate which is for you.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby Litespeed79 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:42 pm

Had Campag Veloce until last year but really couldn't get on with it. I always wanted to swap my 105 when I was younger but never got my dad to part with his money!!

Having come back to cycling I instantly bought a Veloce groupset (self funded this time). I found it a bit harsh & even thought my 10 year old 105 was better. It felt rough, I thought it was the set up, I eventually took it to 2 different shops within a matter of months to be set up & eventually a shifter broke. Maybe it was just me wanting Record quality for bargain prices but never got used to it. I swapped for Utlegra last year & there is miles of difference.

In my experience if I was going back to campag I'd be looking at spending the bit extra & I'd imagine Athena/Centaur are far better.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby SecretSam » Fri Nov 23, 2012 06:40 am

OK thanks, thought you might all say "try before you buy"

As someone noted, I've got Sora STIs with the little paddle on the side, which I loathe with a huge passion - it's impossible to change up when on the drops (ickle hands, you see) - a real pain and almost dangerous. But I've heard Campag's shift paddle is much better?

Challenge for me is in choosing which one to go for, as my LBS is Shimano central, think they'd freak if anyone suggested anything else...small town mentality and all that :lol:
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby NapoleonD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 07:44 am

thegreatdivide wrote:Sora uses the same sort of principle as Campagnolo shifters doesn't it? Moving to Campagnolo wouldn't be much of a change then.

Veloce is a solid groupset and I use it on my everyday bike, but you can pick up Centaur for £420/432 at the moment from Shiny Bikes. I'd go for that.


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The last time, I ordered Super Record shifters. The box was open on arrival, no cables. They sent some cables out a few days later in a plastic bag when I complained. Tried to install and could not get the front shifter to work. After several hours and my mechanic mate to look neither could get it to work.
Took it to a campag dealer shop i know with years of experience who confirmed a duff shifter.
I returned said items special delivery, they got them weds morn. Rang up last night as they hadn't refunded me.
Guy said he'd be on to it.
Still no refund as yet...
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby NapoleonD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 07:50 am

The campag shifter is much better placed than Dora, I have diddy hands and I'm able to shift from the drops with campag. I couldn't when I had sora, you need a foot long thumb to do that!
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Fri Nov 23, 2012 08:37 am

For Ickle Hands you really should try a SRAM set before buying...(IMO obviously)
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby Buckled_Rims » Sat Nov 24, 2012 21:21 pm

I've medium sized hands and have no problem with Campy triggers, but couldn't use Sora thumb triggers.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby nunowoolmez » Sun Nov 25, 2012 00:38 am

Not used anything other than Shimano & i don't really feel the need to go changing. I think the black 105 gruppo looks sweet & if i i bought a bike fitted with it i would not be disappointed at all. I run Dura Ace & Ultegra on my bikes & jave never had an issue with any of it. I just like the design & look of the cranksets & the finish is very sleek. Performance wise, i don't think you could find much better.

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby Paul 8v » Sun Nov 25, 2012 02:20 am

I think in terms of quality and function they're all much of a muchness, I like Campag purely for aesthetic reasons, I can't stand the shape of the Shimano brake levers and the way the cables come out the side of them and SRAMs chainsets are always uninspiring to me. Whilst you're riding it you don't have to look at that though so it doesn't matter too much!

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby Nik Cube » Sun Nov 25, 2012 10:09 am

I use both 105 and veloce (not on the same bike). All through the winter I claim champag veloce is best and then during the spring I find 105 to be just right. :D
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:08 am

Nik Cube wrote:I use both 105 and veloce (not on the same bike). All through the winter I claim champag veloce is best and then during the spring I find 105 to be just right. :D


There should be an automatic thing on the forum so that everytime someone asks a "what Gear" question this post is automatically posted below.

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby CRAIGO5000 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 14:11 pm

Just yesterday I took collection of my Dolan with Sram Apex for Winter.

I'm coming form a Carbon Stealth running Force and wanted to stay in the groupset. I'm a bit gutted I paid so much for Force now as closer inspection of Apex (considering it's their entry level) shows it's a damn good GS for the money! The shifters for example are identical barring some graphics. I've peeled back the hood (ooh err!) and the same weight saving drillings are present. Also the rear cassette (12-25) has the same drillings in each tooth. It even shifts better than my Force but I think that's because the cable routing is different and Ribble have cocked up my install which I now have to pull apart and route cables properly. :roll:

I also have large hands and prefer Sram over my old Shimano GS. Go with what you like the feel of, but bear in mind you get all the latest tech with Sram and pound for pound it is lighter and costs less than anything Shimano/Campy offer in the same GS level.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby giant man » Sun Nov 25, 2012 21:13 pm

Consider Shimano to be the everday cheap and cheerful groupset, Campag the very best of course, and Sram is just rubbish. Simple.
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