Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby thegreatdivide » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:37 pm

Mark Cavendish – 2012 season - 14 wins – Shimano DA
Andre Greipel – 2012 season – 20 wins – Campagnolo SR EPS
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:49 pm

Shimano=Campag=SRAM

Deal with it...

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby happytramp » Tue Dec 04, 2012 16:54 pm

I would have put them something like this.....

Shimano - Campagnolo - Sram
Sora - Xenon* - N/A
Tiagra - Mirage* - N/A
105 - Veloce - Apex
Ultegra - Athena/Centaur - Rival
Dura ace - Chorus - Force
Dura ace DI2 - Record - Red
N/A - Super Record - N/A


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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby SecretSam » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:03 pm

Coo, still going! And I still don't know the answer, although there seem to be lots of Campag fans still

I'm quite drawn to Campag simply because SO many bikes these days have Shimano - but I really don't know

Has anyone experience of all 3? (Other than a pro)

PS: back in my younger days (mid 80s) when I watched the pros, many of them were on Campag because only Campag did 'everything' - otherwise you had to mix 'n' match, although IIRC Kelly used to race on Mavic? Anyhoo, Shimano were nowhere, no spares, confusing group system, constantly chopping and changing ranges. But Campag sat on their laurels too long, by the looks of things...
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby NapoleonD » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:15 pm

SecretSam wrote:Has anyone experience of all 3? (Other than a pro)



Yes.

I've just fitted Campag SR recently. VERY pleased. I'm a campag convert :) (although I did have a brief foray a couple of years ago but had to sell the bike with it on :( )
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby thegreatdivide » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:24 pm

I went from Shimano to Campagnolo

Veloce/Centaur mix on the everyday bike (it came with Xenon originally – that was a pile of cr4p and it nearly killed me....literally)
Athena in silver on my ‘classic’ bike
Super Record 2012 on my best bike

The latter is groupset perfection.

I’d like to try EPS in the future. If that lottery win comes in an order will be made for a C59 and SR EPS ;-)
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby thegreatdivide » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:27 pm

There's a really good article on Campagnolo in this month’s Cyclist magazine btw. Well worth a read. They pride themselves in the amount of spares they keep and all parts are fully serviceable and replaceable. You don’t get this with the two 'common' brands ;-)
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby symo » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:28 pm

Shimano FTW, surprised no-one is pulling for them here. Crisp changes, doddle to setup and I love the 6700 brake hoods.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby dennisn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 17:38 pm

Suppose, just suppose that someone produced one of the lightest, most dependable, most bulletproof, price competitive, component groups on the market. ALL their money went into function and barely a dollar toward form and or style. Would you buy it? Best functioning groupo by a long shot, yet ugly as h*ll? :?

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby happytramp » Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:09 pm

dennisn wrote:Would you buy it? Best functioning groupo by a long shot, yet ugly as h*ll? :?


Ha, ha. Probably not. I sort of feel that way about the Shimano crank. I'd never build a bike with it, but it wouldn't put me off buying a bike with it either.

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby NapoleonD » Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:12 pm

dennisn wrote:Suppose, just suppose that someone produced one of the lightest, most dependable, most bulletproof, price competitive, component groups on the market. ALL their money went into function and barely a dollar toward form and or style. Would you buy it? Best functioning groupo by a long shot, yet ugly as h*ll? :?


No chance!

Edit: perfect function has an inherent beauty all of its own though. IMO. So probably...
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby dennisn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:36 pm

NapoleonD wrote:
dennisn wrote:Suppose, just suppose that someone produced one of the lightest, most dependable, most bulletproof, price competitive, component groups on the market. ALL their money went into function and barely a dollar toward form and or style. Would you buy it? Best functioning groupo by a long shot, yet ugly as h*ll? :?


No chance!

Edit: perfect function has an inherent beauty all of its own though. IMO. So probably...


Good points. I'll mark you down as a maybe.

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby dennisn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:41 pm

thegreatdivide wrote:Mark Cavendish – 2012 season - 14 wins – Shimano DA
Andre Greipel – 2012 season – 20 wins – Campagnolo SR EPS


But, do wins with any specific component group PROVE anything? Other than it was on their bike at the time of the win?

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Tue Dec 04, 2012 18:47 pm

Nope - this whole thread is a pointless argument....which was kind of my point, or not..?
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby dennisn » Tue Dec 04, 2012 19:12 pm

ddraver wrote:Nope - this whole thread is a pointless argument....which was kind of my point, or not..?


Couldn't agree more. Although since it's in the beginners part of all this I would assume that this question, by a newbie,
is not all that unusual. When you're new to something it's really hard to know what to do and the advertising certainly can lead you to think that product "A" is the answer to your problems, especially if it's pretty enough. I play the fiddle(very poorly) and I sort of want to think that IF I spent big dollars on a new bow and fiddle "upgrade" that I would play better but like my cycling(again poorly) I know through years of "upgrades" that thinking that way just sort of throws money away. Although you do end up with a pretty bike(or fiddle and bow).

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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby markyone » Tue Dec 04, 2012 19:15 pm

I have 1 bike with ultegra and its nice,winter bike.
1 bike with super record wow nothing comes close,its campagnolo for me :D
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Tue Dec 04, 2012 19:21 pm

dennisn wrote:
ddraver wrote:Nope - this whole thread is a pointless argument....which was kind of my point, or not..?


Couldn't agree more. Although since it's in the beginners part of all this I would assume that this question, by a newbie,
is not all that unusual. When you're new to something it's really hard to know what to do and the advertising certainly can lead you to think that product "A" is the answer to your problems, especially if it's pretty enough. I play the fiddle(very poorly) and I sort of want to think that IF I spent big dollars on a new bow and fiddle "upgrade" that I would play better but like my cycling(again poorly) I know through years of "upgrades" that thinking that way just sort of throws money away. Although you do end up with a pretty bike(or fiddle and bow).


Yep, we discussed for the first 2 pages how performancewise they re identical, and it's only personal preference that matters. From his response, the OP get's the message, which is good, i.e. try them all and get whatever one you prefer...
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby thegreatdivide » Tue Dec 04, 2012 23:09 pm

dennisn wrote:
thegreatdivide wrote:Mark Cavendish – 2012 season - 14 wins – Shimano DA
Andre Greipel – 2012 season – 20 wins – Campagnolo SR EPS


But, do wins with any specific component group PROVE anything? Other than it was on their bike at the time of the win?


This was a response to a previous post and no, it doesn't prove anything really.
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:48 am

NapoleonD wrote:
dennisn wrote:Suppose, just suppose that someone produced one of the lightest, most dependable, most bulletproof, price competitive, component groups on the market. ALL their money went into function and barely a dollar toward form and or style. Would you buy it? Best functioning groupo by a long shot, yet ugly as h*ll? :?


No chance!

Edit: perfect function has an inherent beauty all of its own though. IMO. So probably...


There is a brilliant example of this in the comments on the SRAM Red Disks article.

Step Forward TimBooth and Cllr Hodgen...

Discs are a great idea, but those levers have to go. They are almost as ugly as that new Dura Ace chain set!!!


I'm just glad these are prototypes... geeeeeeez they look fugly. Agreed there's no room for maneuver inside the housings but a vertical master cylinder from the way the picture has been taken doesn't aesthetically appear to be the way forward in my opinion. Keep up the R&D!


Not they are unnecessary on the road, Not they re too heavy, not that they are unaero, not that they can over heat or any of the problems associated (99% erroneously) with disks but "becasue they re fugly"
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Re: Campag vs Shimano vs SRAM

Postby ddraver » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:49 am

markyone wrote:I have 1 bike with ultegra and its nice,winter bike.
1 bike with super record wow nothing comes close,its campagnolo for me :D



I know I really should nt be prolonging this argument but what you re saying is the bike that get's ridden in all the rain/mud and general sh1t performs less well than the bike ridden in the dry and the sun. This is relevant how?
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