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Postby Joe Sacco » Fri May 25, 2007 11:44 am

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Patrick Stevens</i>

After three people involved in the Church of England have been jailed for child sex offences since April this year, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said that in the past they had misinterpreted putting the welfare of child first, as meaning that there should be no court proceedings.

The common factor in the three cases is that the Church knew what was happening but had covered it up. One bishop has ordered an investigation into 850 files.

It just crosses my mind that this may be a way of preparing the ground for admissions that child abuse has been widespread in the Church of England and concealed by the authorities for many years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6690273.stm
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These religious types seem to have an ability of interpreting the bible to cover their failings, wonder which bit covers child abuse?

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Postby mr_hippo » Fri May 25, 2007 12:32 pm

I wonder if there is any relationship between steam locomotives and child abuse. Years ago, a high proportion of vicars had a 'healthy' interest in steam locomotives - either restoration, making working scale models or train spotting and little or no child abuse. Now there are very few steam locomotives but more child abuse.

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Postby simoncp » Fri May 25, 2007 12:42 pm

Where were all the state's intrepid and fearless investigative reporters while all this has been going on in the state's church? Pestering scientologists and football managers, that's where.

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Postby Joe Sacco » Fri May 25, 2007 13:10 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by simoncp</i>

Where were all the state's intrepid and fearless investigative reporters while all this has been going on in the state's church? Pestering scientologists and football managers, that's where.
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Unless the church has been paying them off? (would fit with your conspiracy bound mind)

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Postby thereisnospooncp » Fri May 25, 2007 15:14 pm

Apologies in advance for any possible offence caused but could there be a link between enforced celibacy and child abuse??

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Postby Regulator » Fri May 25, 2007 15:34 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thereisnospoon</i>

Apologies in advance for any possible offence caused but could there be a link between enforced celibacy and child abuse??

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No. Research has been done into this in the Roman Catholic church (as celibacy is not a requirement in the Anglican communion). Recorded rates of child abuse amongst the clergy (including religious orders), which have been adjusted to allow for non-reporting, are actually lower than in the wider population.

Most child sex abuse actually occurs between relatives (e.g. father and child, uncles and niece or nephew, cousins or siblings). Sexual abuse by strangers is a relatively small proportion of the total number of cases.

The reason that 'stranger danger' seems so prevalent is the way that it is reported. Alarmist headlines sells tabloid papers! [:(!]

Interestingly, in the RC church rates of homosexuality amongst the clergy are significantly higher than in the wider population - partly as the celibate priesthood was seen as a way of reconciling your faith with the church's teaching on homosexuality. Several seminaries were closed in the 1980s and 1990s as they had become 'hotbeds' of same-sex naughtiness... [:D]

And another interesting aside... divorce rates amongst married clergy in the Anglican communion is higher than the wider population.

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Postby ankev1 » Fri May 25, 2007 15:52 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Patrick Stevens</i>

After three people involved in the Church of England have been jailed for child sex offences since April this year, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said that in the past they had misinterpreted putting the welfare of child first, as meaning that there should be no court proceedings.

The common factor in the three cases is that the Church knew what was happening but had covered it up. One bishop has ordered an investigation into 850 files.

It just crosses my mind that this may be a way of preparing the ground for admissions that child abuse has been widespread in the Church of England and concealed by the authorities for many years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6690273.stm
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It could all be part of a long term project of the C of E and the RC Church to harmonise their working practices with a view to eventual reconciliation and reunion.

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Postby Regulator » Fri May 25, 2007 16:11 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Patrick Stevens</i>

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And another interesting aside... divorce rates amongst married clergy in the Anglican communion is higher than the wider population.

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Where do you get this from? The divorce rate is nearly fifty per cent in the wider population and all the vicars I come across have been married to the same person for ages.
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I don't know where you get your figures from Patrick. Over the past few years divorce rates have been dropping and in 2005 were 12.7 per 1,000 married couples (1.27%) (see the Office of National Statistics figures). In the US, roughly 50% of marriages end in divorce - in the UK, it is 37.2% (in Canada 32.3%).

Amongst Anglican clergy, the divorce rate runs at approximately 46%in the UK and 57% in the US (figures come from those given to the preparatory meeting for the Lambeth Conference 2008) !

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Postby simoncp » Fri May 25, 2007 16:51 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Joe Sacco</i>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by simoncp</i>

Where were all the state's intrepid and fearless investigative reporters while all this has been going on in the state's church? Pestering scientologists and football managers, that's where.
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Unless the church has been paying them off? (would fit with your conspiracy bound mind)
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The head bishop of the Church of England and the head of the BBC are both appointments subject to government approval. Effectively the Church of England and the BBC both have the same boss so it isn't too surprising that we haven't had a Panorama about child sex abuse in the Church of England but we have had one about Scientology, an obscure organisation that hardly anyone knows or cares about.

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Postby Joe Sacco » Fri May 25, 2007 20:09 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by simoncp</i>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Joe Sacco</i>

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by simoncp</i>

Where were all the state's intrepid and fearless investigative reporters while all this has been going on in the state's church? Pestering scientologists and football managers, that's where.
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Unless the church has been paying them off? (would fit with your conspiracy bound mind)
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The head bishop of the Church of England and the head of the BBC are both appointments subject to government approval. Effectively the Church of England and the BBC both have the same boss so it isn't too surprising that we haven't had a Panorama about child sex abuse in the Church of England but we have had one about Scientology, an obscure organisation that hardly anyone knows or cares about.


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Brilliant, I knew you wouldn't les us down. BBC, Government, conspiracy. You are just joking really aren't you?

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Postby road-runner » Fri May 25, 2007 20:54 pm

I work in the wider church arena and have only ever known two vicars go "off the straight and narrow" - one affair and one child abuser - but no divorces. 46% of C of E clergy does sound remarkably high. I'm thinking 4.6% would sound nearer. It would be interesting to see the figures.

It's also interesting that the figures have been published in the preparatory meeting of the 2008 Lambeth Conference. We won't get to 2008 for another 6 months.

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Postby Cathryn » Mon May 28, 2007 15:48 pm

I've spent most Sundays of my life in churches and I don't think I've met any divorced ministers!! NO idea where these stats are coming from. It's barking!!

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Postby yenrodcp » Mon May 28, 2007 19:26 pm

Patrick:

For along time I've been saying, and on here, that the church without getting TOO serious is a very very mis-representation of things 'religious' that is totally not exact and in-exact !

IN OTHER WORDS (for the thick people on here - their never used to be):

ITS A ****ING CON and misleading ! [;)]

How can you have someone, in the name of Jesus ****ing Christ a representative (nun cleric whatever) who he never even foresaw or wanted !

Its a total joke.

The church is SOO far from the truth...

Get it / understand because you really are conning yourselves all of you who believe.

Beleive in the great and the good and honest and the truth but never anything thats ordered from sooo long ago that its not factual from NOW !

[;)] 'tuono nel mio cuore...[:)]


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