Sgt Pepper 40th and the BBC

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Postby mangaman » Fri Jun 15, 2007 13:56 pm

Was it Engelbert Humperdink?

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Postby redcogs » Fri Jun 15, 2007 13:57 pm

Most comments above are interesting, but don't take enough into account the historical context of the release of Sgt Pepper.

As an example Harrison's song 'Within you Without you' can be read today as a load of embarrassing and judgemental drivel coming from the pen of a total hypocrite. But at the time, it cut with an anti materialist, anti racist (indian influences), plea for love and human understanding grain that was on the ascendant..

All too sadly, the optimistic possibilities of that heady time wavered and we all either lost our way or chose different less inclusive 'philosophies'.

Pepper stands up because it is full of insights and expresses them in an accessible nostalgic way, offering some pointers and criticisms of our ills, and not a few encouragements to the better side of our humanity.

Lame today? Maybe. Then, in 1967, it was electrifying. i still listen to it periodically.

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Postby Alan H » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:00 pm

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Was it Engelbert Humperdink?

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Strange but true. Mangaman, you have won a copy of the great man's Greatest Hits

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Postby mangaman » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:17 pm

Thanks Alan - great prize! In a fit of generosity I'll let you keep it though

I agree redcogs - for me it's impossible to listen to any Beatles songs dispassionately as I've heard them so many times

I still think the Velvet Underground album must have been even more of a mind-blower in 1967 (imagine hearing heroin for the first time) but I suppose the difference is it hardly sold any copies at the time


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Postby ChrisLS » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:23 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by redcogs</i>

Most comments above are interesting, but don't take enough into account the historical context of the release of Sgt Pepper.

As an example Harrison's song 'Within you Without you' can be read today as a load of embarrassing and judgemental drivel coming from the pen of a total hypocrite. But at the time, it cut with an anti materialist, anti racist (indian influences), plea for love and human understanding grain that was on the ascendant..

All too sadly, the optimistic possibilities of that heady time wavered and we all either lost our way or chose different less inclusive 'philosophies'.

Pepper stands up because it is full of insights and expresses them in an accessible nostalgic way, offering some pointers and criticisms of our ills, and not a few encouragements to the better side of our humanity.

Lame today? Maybe. Then, in 1967, it was electrifying. i still listen to it periodically.


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...yes you are so right Redcogs.

I don't think St Peppers was their masterpiece, maybe Revolver or The White Album...

Skut, don't dispute your list of albums, there was some great music being made, but even Hendrix could appreciate the acheivement of St. Peppers.

I think Revolver was released after, and as a result of, Pet Sounds, as Lennon and McCartney were always out to try and better the Beach Boys(Brian Wilson).

Also don't forget what Dylan had been doing, his music had been pushing back frontiers, and also, he was the person who introduced the Beatles to drugs...

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Postby jackhunt » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:25 pm

Listen to it as most people would have done in 67 - in Mono. A totally different listening experience - far harder rocking and not fay an whimsical as the stereo version

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Postby Alan H » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:37 pm

And don't forget that Pepper - the first concept album - introduced a raft of techniques and studio wizzardry that soon became standard practice, not to mention, apparently, gatefold sleeves and printed lyrics.

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Postby Flying_Monkey » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:53 pm

1967 was a fantastic year for music - 'Surrealistic Pillow' AND 'After Bathing at Baxters' by Jefferson Airplane, Velvets Hendrix and Zappa (already mentioned), two Buffalo Springfield albums, 'Mr Fantasy' by Traffic, the Stones' Their Satanic Majesties Request, 'Something Else' by the Kinks (very underrated and one of the best UK albums of the late 60s IMHO)...

and...

... 'Forever Changes' by Love, which kicks 7 shades of everything out of any other album released that year... RIP Arthur Lee.

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Postby redcogs » Fri Jun 15, 2007 14:58 pm

We might all agree that '67 represents a bit of a 'golden age' for music in general 'Monkey, but why so non committal on the OP?

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Postby Flying_Monkey » Fri Jun 15, 2007 15:20 pm

I think I am pretty clear which is my favourite album of that year - 'Forever Changes' - and by some distance, and I even prefer the Velvets and the Kinks' albums to Sgt Peppers... it isn't even my favourite Beatles album, although I rate 'A Day in the Life' very highly. Had Strawberry Fields Forever (from the same sessions) been on it, I might have been a little more persuaded...

But I wasn't alive at the time so have so personal recollection of its immediate impact, but then immediate impact isn't everything... incidentally I'm very odd anyway, in that my favourite Beatles songs are (chosing one from each of the three main songwriters: 'Dear Prudence', 'Hey Bulldog' and 'Its All Too Much' - what an awesome piece of utterly powerful laid-back over-the-top feedbacked, shockwaved, multitracked psychedelia that is...)

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