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Re: Confused newbie

Postby The Northern Monkey » Fri Sep 28, 2012 23:32 pm

Boardman Hybrid Comp

Down to £459 when added to the basket.
23.6lb.
Bargain.
Would be surprised if it can be beaten.

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby pessimal » Fri Sep 28, 2012 23:43 pm

without trying to start an argument!

why a rigid ?

am i missing how bike suspension works (take the bumps out, smooths thing a bit for the rider) or :confused:

if i do get something like that boardman, it looks like it could be worse when i go off track than my current bike.

whilst i aint biking through quagmires, i want a little grip on mud, dirt and gravel, and without changing what that bike comes with i doubt it would grip as well as my schwalbe marathon's.

to be honest, that boardman looks more like a road bike than something thats going to be as happy on tarmac as it is on a rough cycle track.

i'm confused!

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby The Northern Monkey » Fri Sep 28, 2012 23:48 pm

Mainly because cheap suspension is just that, cheap.
Its usually poorly damped, over sprung, sometimes hardly move anyway and very very very heavy.

What sort of rough track are we talking?
I see guys on single speed, rigid forked hardtails on the trails round here (although they are usually the bearded type and probably teach geography).

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby The Northern Monkey » Fri Sep 28, 2012 23:54 pm

Another example: the 50 miles I'm doing is across road, canal toe path and forestry road.

I'm riding a 100mm travel, reasonable spec'd mountain bike. Whereas one of my colleagues is riding a lightweight rigid hybrid.
I'm a MTB'er, he is predominantly a roadie.

I can guarantee that he will be quicker than me on all surfaces...

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby pessimal » Sat Sep 29, 2012 00:18 am

Fair enough.

From what I understand halfords don't really do test rides, so could you suggest something from http://www.cyclecentreuk.co.uk/ which would be a good choice around the £500 mark.

Thanks

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby chez_m356 » Sat Sep 29, 2012 01:42 am

The Northern Monkey wrote:Mainly because cheap suspension is just that, cheap.
Its usually poorly damped, over sprung, sometimes hardly move anyway and very very very heavy.

What sort of rough track are we talking?

pessimal wrote:i could be doing a 20 odd mile commute home on the friday, and then doing 15 miles on various cycle paths the next day. what i wont be doing is going to trail centre's and dropping it off boulder's and tree trunks.
    to the op, whats your idea of a cycle path, something like these ?
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Re: Confused newbie

Postby pessimal » Mon Oct 01, 2012 08:53 am

more like the second than i'd like to admit.

think of a rougher version of it, loose gravel, few embedded stones, few steep hills to get up / down, few areas where the recent floods have eroded the surface away,

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby alfablue » Mon Oct 01, 2012 09:38 am

Just to illustrate what you can do on a road bike, yesterday I did a 40km ride on the road but which included about 1km on paths like this:
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I was on my carbon road bike:
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Whilst this is obviously not ideal, it is perfectly doable, and I wouldn't want to take a slower bike on the remaining 39km on tarmac.

This bike (a Dawes Audax) is my ideal fast commuter, it is steel and has springy steel rigid forks and slightly larger volume tryes, it has mudguards and mounts for a rear rack, it copes really well with mixed terrain. I linked to some Audax type bikes in your price range in my previous posts.
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I also have a hybrid, a cheap Kona Smoke, rigid steel kona project 2 forks, fatter tyres, and fitted with a chainguard so I can wear regular clothes when going out in the city at night. I use it for supermarket runs, riding round the city, pubs, restaurant trips, etc. This also copes really well on one of my regular journeys that involves rocky bridlepaths. It is significantly heavier and slower than the audax bike.
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I would recommend you get an audax or cyclocross bike for your commute. You will enjoy the speed advantage on the road, and this is significant on longer rides.

Failing that a hybrid would be the next choice, but may newbies buy hybrids only to sell them on when they realise the benefits of road bikes.

Note, hybrids come in two main styles; lighter road bikes with flat bars and 700c wheels, or heavier ones based on mtb frames and 26" wheels, some of which also have suspension forks (not good enough to be worth the weight, and which will "bob" and sap your strength when climbing hills, unless they lockout). Some also have suspension seatposts (also unnecessary and heavy). If you get a hybrid, the "road" type will cope fine with your intended terrain, and will be much faster and more efficient. Of the mtb style, obviously no suspension is better than one with suspension.

Think outside the box, learn from other's experience.

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby chez_m356 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:59 am

alfablue wrote:Note, hybrids come in two main styles; lighter road bikes with flat bars and 700c wheels, or heavier ones based on mtb frames and 26" wheels, some of which also have suspension forks
i wouldn't say this has 26'' wheels http://www.evanscycles.com/products/spe ... e-ec041315
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Re: Confused newbie

Postby alfablue » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:14 am

chez_m356 wrote:
alfablue wrote:Note, hybrids come in two main styles; lighter road bikes with flat bars and 700c wheels, or heavier ones based on mtb frames and 26" wheels, some of which also have suspension forks
i wouldn't say this has 26'' wheels http://www.evanscycles.com/products/spe ... e-ec041315
some do some don't, I was generalising for simplicity; point remains some are based on mtbs, some roadbikes. My hybrid (Kona Smoke is also an exception, being onan old school style steel mtb frame but running 700c wheels). There are pros and cons of each wheel size, but I don't believe that is the main issue.

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby chez_m356 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 16:28 pm

alfablue wrote:
chez_m356 wrote:
alfablue wrote:Note, hybrids come in two main styles; lighter road bikes with flat bars and 700c wheels, or heavier ones based on mtb frames and 26" wheels, some of which also have suspension forks
i wouldn't say this has 26'' wheels http://www.evanscycles.com/products/spe ... e-ec041315
some do some don't, I was generalising for simplicity; point remains some are based on mtbs, some roadbikes. My hybrid (Kona Smoke is also an exception, being onan old school style steel mtb frame but running 700c wheels). There are pros and cons of each wheel size, but I don't believe that is the main issue.

correct, the main issue was, were the bikes he linked to good enough for him to ride to and from work and the odd jaunt on a cycle path.
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Re: Confused newbie

Postby alfablue » Mon Oct 01, 2012 23:05 pm

They're ALL good enough, but probably he might be slightly interested in getting the BEST option for his £500.

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby pessimal » Tue Oct 02, 2012 09:12 am

alfablue wrote:They're ALL good enough, but probably he might be slightly interested in getting the BEST option for his £500.


basically.

when you last rode 20 years ago, and the choice then was racer/road bike or mountain bike, and then you come back to cycling now, the choice is rather bewildering to say that least. that niches seem to have sub niches dosent seem to help. so the fact the hybrids seem to have 2 or 3 different types some of which look like a road bike and some of which look like a mountain bike really does confuse.

anyway, i'm waiting for the LBS to get a Trek 8.3DS in my size (short ars*), i'll try that, then i think i'll try something like the Trek 7.3FX, or the Cube Hyde and compare.

i really did fancy the idea of suspension cos i "thought" my ride was rough, but doing it a few more times and thinking about it, it just isnt that rough.

but i'll shall try and see :)

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Re: Confused newbie

Postby ram_145 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:16 pm

I'm in exactly the same place deciding...and shortlisted many of those, so would like to know what you decide to get in the end!


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Re: Confused newbie

Postby cooldad » Thu Oct 04, 2012 20:40 pm

The Beginner wrote:Again in Engrish?

You think that's confusing, try this one of his:
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Took me a while.
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Re: Confused newbie

Postby cooldad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:17 am

The Beginner wrote:Sounds like a babelfish output!

Looks like all his posts have been deleted, so now we look like idots. Not that that's particularly unusual.
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Re: Confused newbie

Postby dhobiwallah » Sun Oct 07, 2012 14:37 pm

Not the best video, but is your cyclepath something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHdjC5EvSwc

He gets off road just over a minute into the vid. Good example of why unnecessary suspension/weight is a waste of time for tamer offroad


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