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Postby Andy » Thu Jul 19, 2007 18:36 pm

Thats not what he said at all.

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Postby Who me » Thu Jul 19, 2007 18:38 pm

If you get banned does your account get deleted? :roll:

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Postby nirveous » Thu Jul 19, 2007 18:53 pm

l0l dis plaze suks omgorofl w0w bannn me nw i r rebel

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Postby snorri » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:06 pm

Gavin Weeks wrote:The simple fact is people hate change, they are scared of whats new and prefer to stay within their comfort zone. Its human nature, people will adjust and people will learn what potential this place has, and the amount of content and community it offers.


That really is a very smug response which does neither you or Future any favours. I am shocked that there are still customer facing personnel in industry who are so lacking in customer care or basic public relations.
People do not hate change, people are concerned about change, but with a bit of smooth talk will usually adjust if the change is soon seen to improve their lot.
We were not warned of a drastic diminution in the technical quality of the forum, if we had, I am sure the majority would have rode it out for a time with minimal complaint. We were not warned to prepare for the actions of rude foul mouthed mods, perhaps just as well, as people would have left even faster than they did.
No one appears to have taken charge of the problems, or attempted to inform users of a timescale for repairs. Staff members/mods (we do not know which is which) are coming into threads claiming to be working on problems, then we see them contributing to the general chat on other threads! This does not suggest they are putting much effort into working on the problems.
Most organisations go through periods of dramatic change every so often, in the hope of attracting more trade, but they are usually aware of the advantages of maintaining existing relationships, not so Future apparently.

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Postby Who me » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:09 pm

N1 snorri

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Postby mmm_pie » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:16 pm

snorri wrote:
Gavin Weeks wrote:The simple fact is people hate change, they are scared of whats new and prefer to stay within their comfort zone. Its human nature, people will adjust and people will learn what potential this place has, and the amount of content and community it offers.


That really is a very smug response which does neither you or Future any favours. I am shocked that there are still customer facing personnel in industry who are so lacking in customer care or basic public relations.
People do not hate change, people are concerned about change, but with a bit of smooth talk will usually adjust if the change is soon seen to improve their lot.
We were not warned of a drastic diminution in the technical quality of the forum, if we had, I am sure the majority would have rode it out for a time with minimal complaint. We were not warned to prepare for the actions of rude foul mouthed mods, perhaps just as well, as people would have left even faster than they did.
No one appears to have taken charge of the problems, or attempted to inform users of a timescale for repairs. Staff members/mods (we do not know which is which) are coming into threads claiming to be working on problems, then we see them contributing to the general chat on other threads! This does not suggest they are putting much effort into working on the problems.
Most organisations go through periods of dramatic change every so often, in the hope of attracting more trade, but they are usually aware of the advantages of maintaining existing relationships, not so Future apparently.


This advantage to Future overrules any disadvantage though.

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Postby Gavin Weeks » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:39 pm

snorri wrote:
Gavin Weeks wrote:The simple fact is people hate change, they are scared of whats new and prefer to stay within their comfort zone. Its human nature, people will adjust and people will learn what potential this place has, and the amount of content and community it offers.


That really is a very smug response which does neither you or Future any favours. I am shocked that there are still customer facing personnel in industry who are so lacking in customer care or basic public relations.
People do not hate change, people are concerned about change, but with a bit of smooth talk will usually adjust if the change is soon seen to improve their lot.
We were not warned of a drastic diminution in the technical quality of the forum, if we had, I am sure the majority would have rode it out for a time with minimal complaint. We were not warned to prepare for the actions of rude foul mouthed mods, perhaps just as well, as people would have left even faster than they did.
No one appears to have taken charge of the problems, or attempted to inform users of a timescale for repairs. Staff members/mods (we do not know which is which) are coming into threads claiming to be working on problems, then we see them contributing to the general chat on other threads! This does not suggest they are putting much effort into working on the problems.
Most organisations go through periods of dramatic change every so often, in the hope of attracting more trade, but they are usually aware of the advantages of maintaining existing relationships, not so Future apparently.


I think you don't understand what i'm saying, that wasn't said as a representative of Future, that was a general state on human nature hense why i said "Its human nature".

For a start the "product" isn't bad, the forums are simply not up to scratch with the rest of the site. But this forum currently does EVERYTHING any other forum does, you can post, you can create a small profile, you can PM, you can post images. What more would you expect from a forum?

Nothing you can say can twist what i said to make it sound as if i'm "anti customer"

I think you'll find i've been bending over backwards to help and assist people and answer questions on this forum, even though its no-where near my job description (i've even managed to get into trouble a little because of it!)

You can "hate" all you like on Bikeradar, at the end of the day people will adjust to this place, and will realise that this is a great place, with a lot of great content and a growing community. Nothing is broken to the point of being unusable. Bikeradar is a service we are providing to you for free - you don't have to be subscribed to a mag to come here and we are hardly forcing you to stay. All we are saying is give it a chance and be a little patient.

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Postby Paul » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:58 pm

I think a lot less people left after that changeover. Most moved over to the next forum, a lot have since drifted off over the years for whatever reason, but I don't remember such a high percentage leaving because of the last changeover.

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Postby John » Thu Jul 19, 2007 20:03 pm

Glyn wrote:Indeed I do know where the door is, and shall be going from now on.

Can an Admin please delete my account, so thats one less from your forum members to use when plying companies to place an ad on here.


Its no use Glyn,

Even if they delete you theres stil another 69126 out of the 113774 users that have never actually posted or used the forum that their probably lying to advertisers about anyways..

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Postby jamieayres » Thu Jul 19, 2007 20:46 pm

andrew156 wrote:Thats not what he said at all.


Really? I could have swore he did. If only there was some sort of quoting function that could quote what people have just said.....if only.

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Postby mc » Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:12 pm

What GW said was very true, people don't like change.

It wouldn't of mattered how they changed/merged the forums, there would have always been people very vocal about it. Admittedly, the merger was very shambolic, resulting in seamingly endless complaints, and the powers at be have admitted things havn't gone to plan. The main problem being the forced launch, which has meant an unfinished forum, with many of the previously mentioned features and assurances not being met, and the designers are now not only having to try and implement the features, but also deal with endless complaints and abuse.

I know I was very vocal about the issues with the site, and may of been a bit harsh in some of my posts, but I made sure I made my point without stooping to the level of some of the posts I've seen on here.


I know I'd love to have the old sites back, with the community spirit that went with them, but it's not going to happen. It's going to take time for BR to develop it's own sense of community, but the endless criticism is doing no-one any favours. As GW has said, BR is here to stay, and if you don't like it, cyclechat, uk-mtb, and ukmb (aswell as many other bike forums) will be more than willing to have you as a member.

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Postby snorri » Thu Jul 19, 2007 21:46 pm

Gavin Weeks wrote:
I think you don't understand what i'm saying, that wasn't said as a representative of Future, that was a general state on human nature hense why i said "Its human nature".


Gavin, there is a big red Future avatar beside your post which would suggest to most people that you are speaking on behalf of Future. If you wish to make personal statements then I suggest you post under a different log in name , or at least post without the Future avatar attached.
The other comments in your reply are not worthy of a response.

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Postby Who me » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:17 pm

One response would be to go ok it's not what it should have been, If you want to be stuck in the old ways go to *cough cough* and point people helpfully out of the door towards the present day places of community and not this place of future community. I don't think future publishings are really after having a sandbox and some of the childish but fun ways of old so one way to get rid of that element is to provide somewhere elsewhere altogether for this "disruptive" element to go away to with out being childish on their own part in the very informal and ungrateful attitude that they have dealt with some people including using images such as http://www.superiorbroadcast.org/images ... ing%20.jpg

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Postby St.D1ckie » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:19 pm

Gavin Weeks wrote:
Glyn wrote:with the way its going future seem to have alienated all the past mods from here.
Perhaps Mike can bring some of the old school back.


Yes, we had a large board meeting and thought alienating them would be the best course of action to make all the members love us and appreciate the hard work we have put into Bikeradar!!

I will mention this to John and he will let you know once he's awake (hes based in Aus)


wow, so you really are a dick.
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Postby John » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:23 pm

Yeh I was wondering what was the deal with the old dude in the boat.

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Postby Mike » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:33 pm

So the question begs to be asked...

When do I get my p0wars?

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Postby Big Red S » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:38 pm

Paul wrote:I think a lot less people left after that changeover. Most moved over to the next forum, a lot have since drifted off over the years for whatever reason, but I don't remember such a high percentage leaving because of the last changeover.


I don't think we can compare it yet - the last changeover involved the forum (and whole site) being down for at least a couple of months while they got the new one ready. So we've got to wait, really, till this is out of beta and at a point where its ready for release before we can start expecting people to be signing up in droves.

jamieayres wrote:
andrew156 wrote:Thats not what he said at all.


Really? I could have swore he did. If only there was some sort of quoting function that could quote what people have just said.....if only.

The quoting function will state exactly what he said, though. Which wouldn't help you since it's incredibly hard to read your meaning out of his text.

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Postby John » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:53 pm

Please answer Mikes question.

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Postby Big Red S » Thu Jul 19, 2007 22:59 pm

I'd presume he wouldn't.

If they're removing the powers of long-standing and proven mods, I can't see them creating brand new ones.

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Postby Mike » Thu Jul 19, 2007 23:03 pm

Well they need to get rid of that fool BRS.

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