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Postby OffTheBackAdam » Fri Apr 15, 2011 13:26 pm

I see no mention of a velodrome.

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Postby johnmiosh » Fri Apr 15, 2011 14:21 pm

"The concert hall would be part of a "multi-sport arena". Its preferred site is at the park-and-ride land at Pride Park. It would feature 12 courts at the centre suitable for a variety of sports, including basketball and netball. Around the edge would be a cycle track."

The cycle track is a 250m indoor pine track.

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Postby alanf » Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:18 am

Pipedream, in this financial climate.

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Postby Pross » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:06 am

No reason why it should be - Newport velodrome must actually make the Council money as it is heavily used. There are still only 3 indoor full sized velodromes in England and Wales (plus Calshot) as far as I'm aware so still a lot of demand.

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Postby oldwelshman » Tue Apr 19, 2011 22:25 pm

I dont see how the velodrome itself makes money, only if the other sports subsidise it.
Newport is not that heavily used actually.
If you look at the fee, about £75 an hour it would be impossible to be profitable for cycling only.
As far as I know the newprot velodrome was lottery funded and probably heavily subsidised but others would probably knowmore than me :D

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Postby Cjdjustride » Wed Apr 20, 2011 13:37 pm

oldwelshman wrote:I dont see how the velodrome itself makes money, only if the other sports subsidise it.
Newport is not that heavily used actually.
If you look at the fee, about £75 an hour it would be impossible to be profitable for cycling only.
As far as I know the newprot velodrome was lottery funded and probably heavily subsidised but others would probably knowmore than me :D



Doesn't happen too often but the oldwelshman is correct! The track component of the Newport velodrome building is subsidised by the in-field activities. An indoor track on its own and without subsidy isn't viable unless charges were to be prohibitly high. The capital expenditure,whilst not easy to find, is actually not the primary issue when seeking the build of a new indoor track facility. Use of a track would initially be high but would eventually settle down and if you add in seasonal fluctuations (substantial in the summer until a champs looms) there will be considerable periods of no use. All this is sad but true!

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Postby andytown » Tue May 10, 2011 06:07 am

I see no mention of a velodrome.

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Postby alanf » Tue May 10, 2011 08:41 am

If this ever gets built I'll eat Oldwelshmans Shammy!

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Postby poppit » Thu May 12, 2011 15:37 pm

Just trying to map a customers journey into a velodrome for a bit of work I'm doing and need the benefit of all your experiences. These are the key journey steps I've initially identified, are there any more?

• Customer parks in the car park
• Customer enters the velodrome
• Customer pays at reception
• Customer uses the changing room
• Customer uses the track
• Customer uses the changing room
• Customer uses other facilities e.g. café
• Customer leaves the velodrome

Could you tell me what are your primary thoughts at each of the steps, what is most important to you, etc.

Thanks
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Postby johnmiosh » Fri May 13, 2011 14:23 pm

I see very few riders using the changing rooms for training sessions; most come prepared, just remove tracksuit/jeans - ride - replace tracksuit/jeans go home. Although in competition, with longer travel distances these facilities are likely to be more important.

Car parking is an important consideration. If you are heading to a wooden velodrome, you will not want to wheel the bike through the car park and so will be carrying it on your shoulder. You may also have spare wheels, pump, tools, rollers etc. so you would not want to walk too far from the car park to the track access.

You might also want to consider other customers, i.e. spectators at events. For them the catering and bars etc. will be much more important.

The quality of the attached bike shop may be a factor to consider. What range of accessories does it sell, cleats, chains, track mitts, bikes?

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Postby poppit » Fri May 13, 2011 14:38 pm

johnmiosh wrote:I see very few riders using the changing rooms for training sessions; most come prepared, just remove tracksuit/jeans - ride - replace tracksuit/jeans go home. Although in competition, with longer travel distances these facilities are likely to be more important.

Car parking is an important consideration. If you are heading to a wooden velodrome, you will not want to wheel the bike through the car park and so will be carrying it on your shoulder. You may also have spare wheels, pump, tools, rollers etc. so you would not want to walk too far from the car park to the track access.

You might also want to consider other customers, i.e. spectators at events. For them the catering and bars etc. will be much more important.

The quality of the attached bike shop may be a factor to consider. What range of accessories does it sell, cleats, chains, track mitts, bikes?


Cheers. What about going through reception, etc carrying your bike, would it be good to have somewhere to put your bike while you pay plus use the changing room that is secure. Also, if you use the cafe afterwards would you want somewhere to store your bike.

I'm trying to look at designing out some of the barriers/frustrations that are there in exisiting facilities.
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Postby johnmiosh » Fri May 13, 2011 15:18 pm

Hi Poppit,

Are you involved in the Derby project in some way?

For training sessions, carrying the bike in and paying isn't an issue, I just lay it against the counter. I am not sure if lack of security is much of an issue as I'm sure that someone walking off with someone else's bike would be noticed.

I rarely, if ever, visit the velodrome when the cafe is open, but probably wouldn't use it if it was. Perhaps others who train during the daytime use it frequently and are more worried about security.

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Postby poppit » Sat May 14, 2011 18:25 pm

johnmiosh wrote:Hi Poppit,

Are you involved in the Derby project in some way?

For training sessions, carrying the bike in and paying isn't an issue, I just lay it against the counter. I am not sure if lack of security is much of an issue as I'm sure that someone walking off with someone else's bike would be noticed.

I rarely, if ever, visit the velodrome when the cafe is open, but probably wouldn't use it if it was. Perhaps others who train during the daytime use it frequently and are more worried about security.


Yes. Want to cast the net as far as possible to get track users opinions on what works well and what doesn't and what frustrates them. Looking at the amount of views and lack of responses perhaps nothing does and everythings fine at the facilities they use!
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Postby ah_whitt » Sat May 14, 2011 20:10 pm

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Postby Eddy S » Sun May 15, 2011 14:12 pm

poppit wrote:Just trying to map a customers journey into a velodrome for a bit of work I'm doing and need the benefit of all your experiences. These are the key journey steps I've initially identified, are there any more?

• Customer parks in the car park
• Customer enters the velodrome
• Customer pays at reception
• Customer uses the changing room
• Customer uses the track
• Customer uses the changing room
• Customer uses other facilities e.g. café
• Customer leaves the velodrome

Could you tell me what are your primary thoughts at each of the steps, what is most important to you, etc.

Thanks
Here are some thoughts for starters. I'll add more as/when I come up with it:

• Customer parks in the car park
On a training day, I have 2 loads to carry from the car. On a race day it’s 3 loads. The car parking needs to be very close to the entrance.

• Customer enters the velodrome
Automatic doors please. And ones that are operational all of the time. I’m fed up of scratching my frame fighting with the doors getting in and out of a certain velodrome that only switched on the auto doors for elite/international meetings...

• Customer pays at reception
Will I be able to take my equipment directly to the track centre after paying but before getting changed? If not, there need to be a safe place to leave everything.

• Customer uses the changing room
How about a dry pre-exercise area to get changed? There’s nothing worse the getting changed in a steamed up room with a wet floor before using the track.

• Customer uses the track
Plenty of space, bike racks, flexible & comfortable seating, water supply, somewhere to roll around to keep warm. Track centre also needs to have adequate toilet facilities close by.

• Customer uses the changing room
Always needed whether it’s training or competition. I wouldn’t drive home the 100 plus miles without getting showered and changed. There needs to be more then enough space in changing rooms to accommodate competitions/busy periods with properly ventilated shower & changing area – there’s nothing worse then being more sweaty after a shower then you were before it...

• Customer uses other facilities e.g. café
Yeah, I’d use it (as long as there was a really decent coffee supply 8) ) before travelling home. It could be a good space for post-session meetings with coaches, pre-session briefings, etc.


Other stuff:
As a track coach – if the track centre is going to be multi use, there needs to be clear segregation between the bike area and the areas for other sports/users. Anybody who uses Newport when there is football, hockey, table tennis, etc, etc, going on will know what I mean.

If the facility is used for a major competition, competitors need to be able to safely and securely leave their equipment overnight and not like Newport where we have to either remove everything or move it in to a storage area for which we get charged – not a great experience when you’re racing on consecutive days.

For local users – bike storage.
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Postby poppit » Sun May 15, 2011 15:37 pm

ah_witt - Got the PM, if I get the chance I'll email you tomorrow.

Eddy S - Great info, thanks, we'll take your comments on board. Visiting Newport this week so I'll check out what you say about it.
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Postby Pross » Mon May 16, 2011 12:21 pm

I'd agree with Eddy about Newport - hearing a coach on the beginner's classes when there is a football match going on is tricky!

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Postby Benjamin Hall » Mon May 16, 2011 15:00 pm

Pross wrote:I'd agree with Eddy about Newport - hearing a coach on the beginner's classes when there is a football match going on is tricky!


That is definitely true, you have no idea what is going on. The acoustics in there arnt really conducive to large group lessons.


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