Yes it is bike related: Hatchback or estate?

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Postby blackhands » Fri Feb 26, 2010 07:57 am

Well I've got a Honda Jazz - extremely reliable and I can get a bike with wheels out in the back without putting the seats down. It also has magic rear seats that fold up so I can get a bike without wheels but with mudguards across the middle.

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Postby giant man » Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:15 am

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I personally would go for one of these 170BHP diesel, power, style, economy, build quality all in tow.

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+1 - Skoda have really come up with the VW collaboration in terms of build quality, not so iffy as they once were ie. skip jokes etc.
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Postby Eskimo427 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:32 am

Mondeo estate - they look so cool and are huge! I have a MK3 and it took 3 bikes and 4 adults along with camping gear from Scotland to Mountain Mayhem last year and back again without any problems.

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Postby hugo15 » Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:46 am

I've got a Volvo V50. It's quite a nice car but the load space isn't that great. I can get one bike in without taking the wheels off at a push, but usually end up taking the front wheel off

My mate has an Audi A6 estate. It's so big a family could live in it. Nice car too.

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Postby proto » Fri Feb 26, 2010 08:50 am

hugo15 wrote:I've got a Volvo V50. It's quite a nice car but the load space isn't that great. I can get one bike in without taking the wheels off at a push, but usually end up taking the front wheel off

My mate has an Audi A6 estate. It's so big a family could live in it. Nice car too.


V50 here too. Can just get a bike in the back, wheels off, seats up. Easy peasy with 2/3 seat down, front wheel out.

My old SAAB 9-3 hatchback was much bigger, two bikes easily in the boot with wheels out, oceans of room. Nice car too.

If you buy a V50, don't buy a D5. Very fast but drinks diesel at an alaming rate!

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Postby giant man » Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:07 am

You can't get two bikes in side by side in the back of a V50? Good grief!
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Postby Aberdeen_lune » Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:33 am

Dont get a V50 too small you need a V70 plenty of room for bikes and the kitchen sink.

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Postby giant man » Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:38 am

Well i have an old 740 estate and you can get a LOT of stuff in the back there. As it's getting really old now (21 yrs), what to replace it with?
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Postby JonEdwards » Fri Feb 26, 2010 09:53 am

Went through all this not so long back.

1) Estate is *definitely* the way forward. Really can't understand why anybody would even begin to consider a hatch, or especially a 3 box saloon.

2) Used to have an old shape Passat diesel estate. Capacious, economical, reliable, comfortable, but really quite dull to drive. Thoroughly recommended if you drive because you have to, rather than because you enjoy it.

3)X type - basically a mondeo in a fancy dress. 2 things put me off massively - no room for your left foot other than on or under the clutch pedal, and the boot area, although wide and deep isn't very high - to the point you might struggle to get one bike under the load cover, let alone 2 (and the load cover is a big heavy lump to remove)

4) Audi A4 - had a basic trim saloon as a rental for a weekend. DULL to the point of being dangerous. 70mph on the motorway felt like being sat in front of the TV with the sound off. Absolutely no involvement, sense of movement or realisation that your piloting 1.5tons of metal at high speed. 140bhp diesel very peaky (very narrow power band). 7 speed auto suited it, but didn't help the lack of involvmnet.

5) Mondeo - not too much personal experience, but a mate who runs a bike company has one, and with a bit of packing can get 4 bikes in the boot, or about 10 in with the seats down. Supposed to be pretty good to drive. Issues with fuel pumps and dual mass flywheels.

6)Octavia - could have been quite tempted, in VRS TDi format, but the interior is a bit plastic/garish and then no. 7 happened...


7) BMW 3 series waqon. Drove one. Bought one. Not as practical as the Passat, but livable with, but it is absolutely fantastic to drive. It's the difference between riding a mtb on the road and riding a road bike on the road. Just fell in love with it...

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Postby Fungus The Muffin Man » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:23 am

I have a Renault Megane sports tourer 1.9dci 130bhp. Loadsa room for 2 bikes plus extra bits and pieces like camping gear etc... And I average 54mpg on a variety of roads/ motorways.
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Postby plowmar » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:34 am

Never had an estate so wrong to make comment.

However I have always had hatchbacks if only for the reason to get the bike into the back.

First one was no bigger than current Mini and had to take the wheel off - no quick releases in those days, and since then been through Astra, Escort, two Mondeos and the current Honda Civic into which I can get two bikes fully assembled.

So it may just be a case of taking your bike with you and see how it fits.

Good Luck.

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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:41 am

giant mancp wrote:
djbarren wrote:Image

I personally would go for one of these 170BHP diesel, power, style, economy, build quality all in tow.

CHECK HERE

+1 - Skoda have really come up with the VW collaboration in terms of build quality, not so iffy as they once were ie. skip jokes etc.


No competition.
I have the hatch version Vrs 170bhp TDi
Huge boot, goes like a scalded cat and can easily fit 2 MTB's in the back with the seats down, and you don't even have to take the wheels off.
Build quality is every bit as good as any VW and it's cheap as chips.
I am on my 3rd one now and wouldn't have anything else at the moment.
Fantastic cars.

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Postby giant man » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:44 am

Kinda worries me when you say you're on your 3rd one. What were wrong with the other two out of curiosity? thanks
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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:54 am

1st one was a Mark 1 company car
Then when I left the company I bought my own Mark 1 as I loved the car so much
I then moved companies again some time later and had to go on their car scheme so reluctantly sold the car.
Now I am with another company and can pick my own car so went for a pimped diesel version, but this time a Mark 2
I simply can't think of a car with as good performance, good economy, good interior space, massive boot and looks as good at such little cost.
Believe it or not when I joined my current company they were going to give me a Porcshe Cayenne 3.6 as a company car as it was a directors vehicle which was being changed but I picked the Skoda over the Porcshe :shock: even though they would have made up the tax difference with salary
I have never spoken to anyone who has owned one of these and not been pleased with it.
Then factor in the service costs are usually less than £200 a pop.
Like I say a no brainer...................providing you can see past the badge.
Only my opinion of course :wink:

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Postby dgstewart » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:00 am

Bikes and cars - two great things yet when they meet there is always some merry dance figuring out how best to carry the first in or on the second. To be honest there are so many hatchbacks and estates that would do the job. Here's my tuppence worth on several I know about:

Audi. I currently have a new shape A4 Avant. Excellent car, great build quality (yes not as good to drive handling as a BMW, but I have the MX-5 for that!). Decent size boot, but I don't think you will get a bike in it even with both wheels off. With back seats fully down you'll get at least two full bikes in. With back seat half (or 40%!) down, you'll get one in the boot poking through into back seat, with front wheel off. A6 is bigger but expensive.

Ford. Had a Mondeo hatchback (previous model) for last car. Very big, and new model is even bigger, esp. estate. Good to drive, and generally reliable with reasonable running and repair costs. Bike capacity similar to A4 Avant. Focus is also very good and estate is quite big, slightly smaller than Mondeo, but still roomy.

Skoda. Octavia is a great all rounder, and boot is deceptive - much bigger than it looks from apparent size of car. VRS is a cracker but pricier. Skoda are doing a Tax free offer just now, so you can get some brand new good deals - see their website. Superb is cavernous, but much more expensive and estate is new so no 2nd hand cars. I think Skoda are top value for money with the VW group - A4 is a company car, it if was my own money I'd probably get the Skoda.

BMW. 3 series estate is a lovely car and great to drive, but it's small inside - the boot is small and awkwardly shaped. 5 series is bigger but expensive.

For car shopping I would recommend having a look at:

www.drivethedeal.com (good new car discounts, can use this to haggle with your local dealers)
www.motorpoint.co.uk (good 2nd hand deals)


As for carrying bikes, I have a Saris Bones 3-bike rack, which is very versatile and fits A4 Avant and MX-5, and I would recommend for rear mounted option. I also have roof mounted carriers, which are also good. I believe the tow mounted racks are probably the best option, but I don't have a tow bar. I might think about this in the future.

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Postby huuregeil » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:08 am

Another car that hasn't been mentioned is the Mazda 6 estate. Another cracker, reliable, great to drive, and roomy - I almost bought one for my last car. A mate has one and he puts a full double matress in the back for him and the missus on road trips!

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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:09 am

Only thing I would say is the the Skoda vRS is a pain to put a rear mounted rack on (ie when the boots in use) as the spoiler gets in the way

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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:09 am

huuregeil wrote:Another car that hasn't been mentioned is the Mazda 6 estate. Another cracker, reliable, great to drive, and roomy - I almost bought one for my last car. A mate has one and he puts a full double matress in the back for him and the missus on road trips!


It's a Mondeo in disguise :wink:

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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:10 am

huuregeil wrote:Another car that hasn't been mentioned is the Mazda 6 estate. Another cracker, reliable, great to drive, and roomy - I almost bought one for my last car. A mate has one and he puts a full double matress in the back for him and the missus on road trips!


It's a Mondeo in disguise :wink:

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Postby afcbian » Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:10 am

huuregeil wrote:Another car that hasn't been mentioned is the Mazda 6 estate. Another cracker, reliable, great to drive, and roomy - I almost bought one for my last car. A mate has one and he puts a full double matress in the back for him and the missus on road trips!


That's because it's a Mondeo in disguise :wink:


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