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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby BigMat » Fri Sep 07, 2012 21:50 pm

Dmak wrote:
willhub wrote:There was, someone has just reported it I think.

The actual KOM is 35.5 by the guy who got removed and 35.3 by me. But I doubt it'll be long until the Simon West has got KOM with a higher speed than 35.5.

I'm pretty sure I could have gone faster, I was looking at my speedo noticing I was constantly around 36mph but I know I needed to change gear to get more power but did not. Infact, I could have probably done better staying staying sat down.

Looking at the other 34.6 ones they are actually lower than 34.6

I hope Strava is not like this with all segments?


Just the really short fast ones, I mentioned earlier in the thread so I'll quote myself.

"On such a short segment and 1-3 second GPS updates, inaccuracies are inevitable. You'll either be robbed or gifted. In this case the guy was gifted.

When you compare different efforts they are of different lengths because of the coarse GPS updates. What Strava could do is implement an interpolation algorithm to make things a little more fair, maybe one day, maybe never."


GPS itself isn't anywhere near as accurate as it should be for this kind of whacky race.

If you really want it, just keep hammering at it and eventually luck will swing your way in terms of the GPS updates being timed perfectly for the segment. You need reasonable conditions too and of course, good legs at the time.


Check out the new "Velo viewer" website, you can get it to calculate times on segments in a more accurate way, useful for this kind of thing There are generally innaccuracies at the start/ finish of segments and if they are short segments it can have a big impact. Sounds like good sprinting anyway Will

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby xscreamsuk » Fri Sep 07, 2012 21:54 pm

Seen tonight that 3 people have had a crack at one of my KOM's in the last week and I'm still there by one second! It's a great motivational tool, shame a segment I rode hard today has now been removed, but I suppose 175 HR at 43 mph downhill is not to be encouraged!

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby junglist_matty » Sat Sep 08, 2012 07:47 am

Dmak wrote:A race is a race however whacky it may be. Flat segments do require a bit more luck but lots of races require luck.


Racing requires a certain level of "luck on the day", it doesn't require luck due to bad GPS data like a short sprint on Strava.

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby JGSI » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:38 am

Got a call and said I'd be home in 20.... wasnt far off :wink:
Enough pace to make a seg out of it...
http://app.strava.com/segments/2321994

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby Dmak » Sat Sep 08, 2012 18:52 pm

xscreamsuk wrote:Seen tonight that 3 people have had a crack at one of my KOM's in the last week and I'm still there by one second! It's a great motivational tool, shame a segment I rode hard today has now been removed, but I suppose 175 HR at 43 mph downhill is not to be encouraged!


I hit 50mph today, been a while since I went that fast, pretty unnerving!

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby Dmak » Sat Sep 08, 2012 19:20 pm

JGSI wrote:Got a call and said I'd be home in 20.... wasnt far off :wink:
Enough pace to make a seg out of it...
http://app.strava.com/segments/2321994


Kudos

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby kettrinboy » Sun Sep 09, 2012 06:25 am

Take a look at this to see how a very short segment length can distort speeds, actual speeds from my runs down it are 45-48 mph, i woudnt try 77 mph down here on my motorbike. http://app.strava.com/segments/807767

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby Laird_Attwood » Sun Sep 09, 2012 06:31 am

JGSI wrote:Got a call and said I'd be home in 20.... wasnt far off :wink:
Enough pace to make a seg out of it...
http://app.strava.com/segments/2321994


Kudos, not far away from me but I would hate to see my time. Wouldn't be near that!

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby brettjmcc » Sun Sep 09, 2012 08:57 am

Got this, this morning: http://app.strava.com/segments/1960125

Though since it's only 0.5m and 2.5% it probably won't register on Junglist Matty's radar... ;)
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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby ALIHISGREAT » Sun Sep 09, 2012 13:48 pm

Just did my first sportive:

http://app.strava.com/rides/21359075

since its was flat I decided to get into a fast group for most of it and not worry too much about pacing and I'm pretty happy with 18.2mph moving average over 90 miles.

I went solo after 70 miles... http://app.strava.com/rides/21359075#382179110 and got second place on this :mrgreen: (not really bothered it was downhill with a probable tailwind)

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby junglist_matty » Mon Sep 10, 2012 08:07 am

brettjmcc wrote:Got this, this morning: http://app.strava.com/segments/1960125

Though since it's only 0.5m and 2.5% it probably won't register on Junglist Matty's radar... ;)


If you look at what I actually posted....

junglist_matty wrote:In my opinion, any Strava segments less than 1 mile (unless its a steep climb) are irrelevant and best left for the idiot cyclists to battle out - those who can't actually grab a KOM on a decent segment.


That short steep climb is worthy to be a segment worth battling for because steep climbs are done at a slower pace and GPS accuracy for these slower segments will be far more accurate.

Just to prove a point, I managed a KOM on this little sprint at the end of my commute this morning (after riding hard for 13 miles).
http://app.strava.com/rides/21480587#384299068

So yeah, from the sprints I've seen, most are battled out by roadies who aren't really much good considering I can go from riding 30mins on the limit to then getting KOM on a very short sprint where the leaderboard is mostly battled out by people riding the sprint with fresh legs.

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby junglist_matty » Mon Sep 10, 2012 08:10 am

ALIHISGREAT wrote:Just did my first sportive:

http://app.strava.com/rides/21359075

since its was flat I decided to get into a fast group for most of it and not worry too much about pacing and I'm pretty happy with 18.2mph moving average over 90 miles.

I went solo after 70 miles... http://app.strava.com/rides/21359075#382179110 and got second place on this :mrgreen: (not really bothered it was downhill with a probable tailwind)


Great weather for it, was tempted to partake but sun, beer and BBQ quashed any temptation I had ;)

Good riding performance on the sportive btw

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby brettjmcc » Mon Sep 10, 2012 08:33 am

Matty, I was being tongue in cheek fella :)

Created a new segment near me. I only have 2 ways to get back to my house, adding this in, gives me a bit more emphasis at the end, it's just a little bump. I was surprised to see I ended up KOM on it, nice surprise though: http://app.strava.com/segments/2336233
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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby vs » Mon Sep 10, 2012 08:41 am

This was Cycling Weekly's segment of the week a couple of weeks ago: 1000 feet in 1.6 miles @11.7% ave, max 30%+
http://app.strava.com/rides/21263911#380368261
glad I 'don't have to' ride it again until the inevitable 'Uh oh!', which I've probably just sped up by posting it here :wink:

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby junglist_matty » Mon Sep 10, 2012 09:08 am

brettjmcc wrote:Matty, I was being tongue in cheek fella :)

Created a new segment near me. I only have 2 ways to get back to my house, adding this in, gives me a bit more emphasis at the end, it's just a little bump. I was surprised to see I ended up KOM on it, nice surprise though: http://app.strava.com/segments/2336233


I thought you were, but on forums it's hard to tell ;)

Seems you are very good at going up hill.... Your climbing times are fast; I on the other hand am far too big to be a good climber, although I'm working on climbing (and loosing a bit of weight to help the cause), round Cambridge there aren't too many climbs to practice on

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby brettjmcc » Mon Sep 10, 2012 09:26 am

I am not good at going uphill, but I am OK at getting some quick burst of power down. I struggle on the longer climbs or bigger gradients which require a sustained effort, as I have to heave 81Kg/180lbs uphill, I generally just grind my way up even with a 34-27. The biggest thing that has helped me has been getting into TTing and learning to pace better and also doing some lower cadence work.

Like you I am hoping to lose weight for next year. Somewhere between 70-75Kg hopefully, but it's hard with kids.
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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby gabriel959 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 09:39 am

There are hardly any hills in Cambridge that require you to be a traditional climber. Tom Boonen and Fabian Cancellara are both 90kg+ or thereabouts and can do the Cauberg or the Muur fast enough. The longest hill in Cambridge I think its the Six Mile Bottom Climb http://app.strava.com/segments/717932, it isn't very steep but it goes on for 3 miles or so. Huntington Road Climb is pretty good too http://app.strava.com/segments/684377
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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby Dmak » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:37 am

gabriel959 wrote:There are hardly any hills in Cambridge that require you to be a traditional climber. Tom Boonen and Fabian Cancellara are both 90kg+ or thereabouts and can do the Cauberg or the Muur fast enough. The longest hill in Cambridge I think its the Six Mile Bottom Climb http://app.strava.com/segments/717932, it isn't very steep but it goes on for 3 miles or so. Huntington Road Climb is pretty good too http://app.strava.com/segments/684377


I doubt Tom or Fabian have ever been over 14 stone in their lives. :?

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby bazzer2 » Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:50 am

Just joined :)
The thing I get out of Strava is the routes - you pick a few segments then connect them together and go out for a ride. For me it's not after chasing KOMs (can't!) but more about saying 'I'm not as bad as I thought I was on that ride'. I am in stone cold last for a couple of segments, and that's cool, I know I can better myself at some point!

I'm not in a cycling club, I think some of the clubs make it a little to 'clicky' - so this kind of encouragement is just what I need. :D

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Re: Strava 'Bagging'

Postby SenseiSpud » Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:21 pm

Just got the one I've been after for ages. :twisted:

http://app.strava.com/segments/1284693


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