Roadies Vs. THE WORLD

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Pross
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Postby Pross » Tue Mar 22, 2011 14:53 pm

Well I am an old git (apparently my profile pic proves this) so I may well have been riding back then :wink:

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Re: Roadies Vs. THE WORLD

Postby Yellow Dave » Tue Mar 22, 2011 18:11 pm

blackpoolkev wrote:
Yellow Dave wrote: But the larger of the groups are going to start getting a riding crop across the back of the head.


Is this an example of good road etiqette?


Out of my whole post, you pick up on that? It's not good etiquette, thats exactly my point. There's only so much you can do before you have to take drastic action to make a notice.

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Postby Yellow Dave » Tue Mar 22, 2011 18:16 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
It's not quite like that though is it?

When passing a horse, it's not good enough to be in the other lane. You've got to slow down an awful lot and creep round it for fear of being charged at by some half -tonne animal that no-one can control.

When I'm on my bike I don't expect/need a car to slow down when passing me - sure if there's oncoming traffic you have to wait, but it's not quite the same. You have to be alll quiet etc Cars can, and do, pass me at 60mph in the other lane which is absolutely fine.

Sure if I jump it's not pleasant, but I've never fallen off when a car surprises me, (rare though that is), and even if a car did, at least it was up to me to do the controlling, not hoping some beast can handle it.

Ultimately I take issue with the idea that the rider is putting their trust a vehicle that literally has its own mind. I don't trust it, and it can't function in normal road conditions - i.e. traffic going past and normal speeds.

It probably is selfish. Then again, it's selfish to sh1t all over the road and think that doing a wave akin to this wave to thank me for not trying to get myself killed by being charged at by some animal that can't control itself.


Hitler? I'm not going to ask for the full interpretation of that.

If you pass on in the other lane, thank you, if you slow down a little, thank you some more, call out and make yourself known before you get to them is pretty appreciated also. BUT some riders simply don't make any effort at all. And it's these people the thread is aimed at.

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Postby Yellow Dave » Tue Mar 22, 2011 18:32 pm

Tom Butcher wrote:Sorry Dave but to me you come ácross as a MTBer having a little pop at road cyclists - you get them every so often - usually accusing roadies of being anti-social or somesuch. From the horseriders I know it's the behaviour of MTBers on bridleways that is more of a problem than road cyclists on the road.

You get inconsiderate people in all groups - including horse riders - I'm thinking of several incidents in road races where riders knew a race was on but knowingly decided to ride on the course anyway and could easily have caused a serious accident through their inability to control their animals. You talk about basic manners but your initial post shows a distinct lack of them imo.


I am a MTBer, as stated in my first post.
I am a road rider, as stated in my first post.
I am a horse rider, as stated in my first post.
I am also a trials rider, a surfer, a snowboarder, and a keen motorsport enthusiast.
I enjoy many sports and have been doing ALL for many years. so an MTBer having a pop at road riders I am not, although I have experienced this love for one another 1st hand when on both MTB and road bike. Why the love/hate I don't know. But doing them all gives me a good basis to step back and see all points of view. Yes my first post may have been too aggressive and takes things too far, but I have experienced said riders and the attitude is shocking. I felt this was needed to get their attention.

I again completely agree about rude people in all groups, and trust me I am doing my upmost to change this, hence this thread pleading with road riders, who in my personal experience have been the majority of the culprits. I don't for one second pretend they are the only ones though

With refernce to MTBers on bridalways, I would have agreede with you some years ago. I spent some time going round local stables in Braintree and Chelmsford speaking to horse riders (as me being one) about MTBers and trying to settle this disagreement. Hence now on local trails, horses have right of way, as long as cyclists do this they are happy to share them. Doing this made things soo much better, as they understood MTBers do little harm when using them. So far this is still working. If I see an MTBer not doing this, then I will also voice my oppinion upon them, and have also done so previously

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Postby Yellow Dave » Tue Mar 22, 2011 18:39 pm

Pross, ColinJ, Clanton, thank you for your input. I know and I'm glad that there are people out there that are considerate. And I apologise if my posts have insulted you in any way. But you're attitude is exactly what I am trying to encourage onto all cyclists.

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Postby Yellow Dave » Tue Mar 22, 2011 19:17 pm

I am a confident horse rider, as are the horses we hack out on. and 99% of the time they are sound, but it's an animal at the end of the day and if something suprises them it takes all the riders skill and balance to keep it under control. likewise if something happens to a cyclists, but we don't always recover and not fall off our bikes?

Comments such as 'why are horses on the road then' dissapoints me. In that case why are the over 60 on the road, why are the under 21's on the road. Why is anyone doing anything they enjoy. For the simply reason they can and is a passion to do so.

Can you not see that if everyone gave just a little, everyone would get on much better and there wouldn't be this me Vs' them between each genre.

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Re: Roadies Vs. THE WORLD

Postby blackpoolkev » Tue Mar 22, 2011 20:10 pm

Yellow Dave wrote:
blackpoolkev wrote:
Yellow Dave wrote: But the larger of the groups are going to start getting a riding crop across the back of the head.


Is this an example of good road etiqette?


Out of my whole post, you pick up on that? It's not good etiquette, thats exactly my point. There's only so much you can do before you have to take drastic action to make a notice.


So you agree that threatening cyclists with assault is "not good" but then seek to justify it in your next sentence.I'm confused.

As for the rest of your post-I agree completely.I like horses and their riders seem a pretty decent bunch.I have never had any problems sharing the road with them and long may that continue.

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Postby giant man » Thu Mar 31, 2011 13:18 pm

Yellow Dave wrote:I am a confident horse rider, as are the horses we hack out on. and 99% of the time they are sound, but it's an animal at the end of the day and if something suprises them it takes all the riders skill and balance to keep it under control. likewise if something happens to a cyclists, but we don't always recover and not fall off our bikes?

Comments such as 'why are horses on the road then' dissapoints me. In that case why are the over 60 on the road, why are the under 21's on the road. Why is anyone doing anything they enjoy. For the simply reason they can and is a passion to do so.

Can you not see that if everyone gave just a little, everyone would get on much better and there wouldn't be this me Vs' them between each genre.

Been riding a bike for over 30 years and I do concur with a previous poster in that if a horse is spooked by the wheels of a bicycle, why is it on the road? Can you trust that horse to be in amongst a club run and other traffic?

I will add i am ALWAYS polite and courteous to horse riders and car drivers and always let the riders know I am passing so as to not spook the horse, but coming back to my original point, the behaviour of the horse in the beginning is the crux surely?
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Postby Thick Tester » Thu Apr 28, 2011 16:47 pm

I don't trust anything that shits bigger than me therefore i give all creatures of that ilk a wide berth....

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Re: Roadies Vs. THE WORLD

Postby yenrod » Sat Apr 30, 2011 16:52 pm

Yellow Dave wrote:What is wrong with you all??? You're not the only ones on the road!!! I have been a cyclist for only 15 years but I'm getting more and more fed up with the attitude of some of them.

In honesty I know it's not all of you, and more often than not the individual or couple cycling isn't a problem. But the larger of the groups are going to start getting a riding crop across the back of the head, a horse or my bike blocking the road unless they show some road etiqutte. It doesn't cost to show some basic manners and be polite.

I ride both on and off road, as well as horses around the Chelmsford area. I come across horses, other MTB and road cyclists and am always pleased to see others out enjoying a healthy lifestyle. BUT I am sick to the back teeth of riders that do not make themselves aware, acknowledge you, give you any room or show any signs of slowing down just a little. On one occassion you spooked my mother in law and her horse, resulting in an accident and an ambulance needing to be called. I can't tell you how annoyed I am when my partner comes home today saying she saw more cyclist that flew straight past without notice or acknowledegement

Road riders are by far the worst for this.

I have a few request to all MTBers and road riders.
Please be poilet and make yourself known to whoever you're coming up upon, and if they ask you to slow down a little, please don't be rude and keep on going


Im sorry you suffer from this in your area.

I was cycling along the road & a motorcyclist approached a horse & rider from behind = spooked horse rider gets dis-mounted / thrown (wasnt nice to see) and motorcyclist just rides away - which was a total bloody outrage !

The horse subsequently bolted back to its 'home' down the road...

I asked the rider if it was ok & she said she was...then started after the horse !

This is just ANOTHER example of the disgracefull way road users treat each other...

At the end of the day we're all on the same roads - so why not give way to each other ?????
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Postby Pross » Mon May 16, 2011 15:21 pm

Did a 24 hour MTB event at the weekend, part of which was held on bridleways. Some of the speeds that people were passing horses was ridiculous, I felt a bit embarassed when I past a horse going the other way (uphill, very slowly!) as it must have ruined their weekend riding having 300 odd MTBers on their route!

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Re: Roadies Vs. THE WORLD

Postby MattC59 » Tue May 31, 2011 10:10 am

Yellow Dave wrote:But the larger of the groups are going to start getting a riding crop across the back of the head,

It'll be the last thing you ever do if it's me that you hit ! :roll:
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Postby Aerozine50 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 09:29 am

As for the act of being on the road, I am a MTB user but run skinny tyres, thus if I really want to and try hard at it I can keep up with a slower end road bike.

As for equines, I don't have a problem. The government use them as much as they do us for mobile traffic calming and more often than not I will approach a horse with a whistle to alert the rider I am coming up behind them (The air Zound is too aggressive for ossies).

However I dont mind either staying behind horses as more often than not there is a nice bit of totty on board and I am a letcherous "old before my time" git! :lol:

As for other road users I take them as I find them, the ususal menace is the white van man either trying a squeeze through a pinch or using his/her horn when I take the lane through a short series of pinch points. I now simply use total ignorance and concentrate on the task in hand. I wont lower myself to his level. Becasue good karma says that the obese old git will die a deserving slow death due to too many pies, ciggies and the like taking their toll.

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