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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby No tA Doctor » Wed Mar 07, 2012 22:49 pm

andyp wrote:Some big races there, like the Grand Prix de Plumelec-Morbihan and the Tour du Poitou Charentes et de la Vienne.

I grew up dreaming of winning those two.


Now that's panache.
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Postby afx237vi » Wed Mar 07, 2012 22:56 pm

A google image search for panache is very enlightening, I must say. Heartily recommended.

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Postby Remarkable » Wed Mar 07, 2012 22:58 pm

iainf72 wrote:His CQRanking did seem to point to a fairly middlleing riding in the years Rich mentions

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=43


Perhaps, but a win is a win and is his style of riding I think has some panache to it :wink:

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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby RonB » Wed Mar 07, 2012 23:05 pm

Back in the '80s the French had a version of Shandy Bass called Panache. Wonder if it's still about?

Edit...just did that Google image search...ahem, I see it still is!
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby No tA Doctor » Wed Mar 07, 2012 23:16 pm

RonB wrote:Back in the '80s the French had a version of Shandy Bass called Panache. Wonder if it's still about?

Edit...just did that Google image search...ahem, I see it still is!


So you did the image search and found a handy shandy ;-)
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby MajorMantra » Wed Mar 07, 2012 23:54 pm

andyp wrote:Armstrong, post cancer, was someone who'd use his team to pummel the oppostion into submission then apply the coup de grace himself on the final summit finish. It was predictable, and stolen directly from Indurain before him, and a low risk strategy.


I suppose you could say something similar about Cavendish. No disrespect to him, but every one of his wins is like every other one of his wins.

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Postby emadden » Thu Mar 08, 2012 01:22 am

RichN95 wrote:
It's also a trademark registered to Amgen.



:lol: :lol: :lol: Yes - they did this so we wouldnt have to say a rider is on EPO anymore... we can just say "That rider rides with panache" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby Choppered » Thu Mar 08, 2012 01:22 am

I've got a couple of panache bottle-openers which came courtesy of the caravane.

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Postby Dave_1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 06:37 am

Remarkable wrote:Why does everyone pick on voeckler? He is one of the most attacking and winningest riders in the peloton.. :roll:



There is a thin dividing line between panache and the ridiculous. Hinault's attempt to solo three cols in 2nd day in Pyrenees of 1986 TDF ahead of an awesomely powerful chase group of the best climbers in the world looked like stupidity whereas..the previous day his two up break with Delgado and his later two up with lemond to Alpe D'huez were panache..had a chance of succeeding and were more than was required by Hinault.

panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby iainf72 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 06:43 am

Remarkable wrote:
Perhaps, but a win is a win and is his style of riding I think has some panache to it :wink:


I think TV's panache is much like Evans "never attacking" - It's just not true.

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Postby frenchfighter » Thu Mar 08, 2012 07:25 am

thegibdog wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:...the pedantic side...

I think you'll find that's pendantic. ;)


Not sure if you are being serious or silly (get out clause) but if you are the former:

http://www.vocabulary.com/definition/pedantic
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Postby frenchfighter » Thu Mar 08, 2012 07:27 am

Dave_1 wrote:panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgOFXcItWE


Roughly how long were they in front? And was it pan flat in the section they attacked and rode?
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Postby Dave_1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 07:42 am

frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgOFXcItWE


Roughly how long were they in front? And was it pan flat in the section they attacked and rode?



The were away for something 50 kilometres and normally a yellow jersey should conserve energy on flat transition stages sitting in the bunch between the two mountain ranges..being boring in such stages to recover....I remember wondering if Fignon and Mottet would win the TDF that day. Lemond had no team that year so it was exciting and showed Fignon was a sly old fox who would try on any terrain to get Lemond

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Postby inkyfingers » Thu Mar 08, 2012 07:45 am

I think that after a lot of hot air we have finally defined panache.....Laurent Fignon.
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Mar 08, 2012 09:38 am

Dave_1 wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgOFXcItWE


Roughly how long were they in front? And was it pan flat in the section they attacked and rode?



The were away for something 50 kilometres and normally a yellow jersey should conserve energy on flat transition stages sitting in the bunch between the two mountain ranges..being boring in such stages to recover....I remember wondering if Fignon and Mottet would win the TDF that day. Lemond had no team that year so it was exciting and showed Fignon was a sly old fox who would try on any terrain to get Lemond


Good stuff! How did the rest of the stage play out?
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby Dave_1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:00 am

frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgOFXcItWE


Roughly how long were they in front? And was it pan flat in the section they attacked and rode?



The were away for something 50 kilometres and normally a yellow jersey should conserve energy on flat transition stages sitting in the bunch between the two mountain ranges..being boring in such stages to recover....I remember wondering if Fignon and Mottet would win the TDF that day. Lemond had no team that year so it was exciting and showed Fignon was a sly old fox who would try on any terrain to get Lemond


Good stuff! How did the rest of the stage play out?


one of Fignon's team mates won the day..it was Bastille day...but it sticks in your mind seeing the maillot jaune and possible GC winner throw caution to the wind and come out from behind the shelter of his team to ambush his rivals. Indurain, LA, Evans, Schelck, Contador...they and their directors would have played it safer maybe..Guimard and Fignon seemed more feisty.

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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby RichN95 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:40 am

Dave_1 wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:panache by Mottet and my avatar at 7 mins 30secs into clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgOFXcItWE


Roughly how long were they in front? And was it pan flat in the section they attacked and rode?



The were away for something 50 kilometres and normally a yellow jersey should conserve energy on flat transition stages sitting in the bunch between the two mountain ranges..being boring in such stages to recover....I remember wondering if Fignon and Mottet would win the TDF that day. Lemond had no team that year so it was exciting and showed Fignon was a sly old fox who would try on any terrain to get Lemond


It's a bit of a myth that LeMond had no team in 1989. Nothing for the mountains, certainly. But on the flat he had Planckaert, Lammerts, Martens and Museeuw. They all won the Tour of Flanders so weren't lacking big engines.
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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby Mccaria » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:25 am

Vincent Barteau won the stage into Marseille on Bastille Day 1989 with French riders 1,2,3, ahead of the bunch. I know, I was there !

Bastille Day, Bicentenary of the Revolution. French winner, French 1,2,3. Fignon in Yellow. Marseille was a great place to be that day. That was Panache.


Champs Elysee a week or so later. That wasn't Panache

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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby Dave_1 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 13:14 pm

Mccaria wrote:Vincent Barteau won the stage into Marseille on Bastille Day 1989 with French riders 1,2,3, ahead of the bunch. I know, I was there !

Bastille Day, Bicentenary of the Revolution. French winner, French 1,2,3. Fignon in Yellow. Marseille was a great place to be that day. That was Panache.


Champs Elysee a week or so later. That wasn't Panache



Lucky you. I really wish I had visited TDF 89!..but did go to TDF 1985,86 and 91 to watch.

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Re: Explain this 'panache' idea to me...

Postby ShockedSoShocked » Thu Mar 08, 2012 13:32 pm

I think the term "classy" is better.
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