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Postby afx237vi » Mon Jul 16, 2012 14:31 pm

Crozza wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:but it's good practice.


thanks, but how is that "good practice"?

if I had paid to see a race, I wouldn't just want to watch a procession or exhibition

wouldn't the young guns in the race also fancy the chance of taking a big scalp?


You're not paying to see a race, you're paying for the party and the music and entrance in to the beer tent.

If you wanted to see a race, you'd have gone to see the Tour.

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Postby Rick Chasey » Mon Jul 16, 2012 14:35 pm

Exactly.

You're paying to see your cycling heroes in cycling action, not for racing :).

There's lots of beer and autographs and fun afterwards too.

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Postby ShinSplint » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:20 am

Nutrition question... anyone know what those round cake-like things are that seem popular amongst the riders?

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Postby Alan A » Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:46 am

Madeleines?

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Dr Allen Lim's Rice Cakes?

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Postby ShinSplint » Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:15 am

Cheers Alan,

They look more like the madeleine, but in a round form without the chocolate. Almost like a donut but smaller. They've been very popular in the tour this year.

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Postby Lichtblick » Wed Jul 18, 2012 13:02 pm

Question: Team Leader, Team Captain. Why are there two, what's the difference? Why isn't the Team Leader the Captain; why isn't the Captain the Leader? :?:

Another question: What happens if someone gets off his bike (say, on a steep mountain) and pushes it for a bit, then gets back on? Does it actually say anywhere that riders must stay on the bike at all times?

Thanks

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Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 18, 2012 13:07 pm

Lichtblick wrote:Question: Team Leader, Team Captain. Why are there two, what's the difference? Why isn't the Team Leader the Captain; why isn't the Captain the Leader? :?:

Another question: What happens if someone gets off his bike (say, on a steep mountain) and pushes it for a bit, then gets back on? Does it actually say anywhere that riders must stay on the bike at all times?

Thanks


Team leader: usually strongest rider, often the GC rider for the team.

Team captain: an experienced rider who takes charge on the road.

Eg. David Millar was/is the 'road captain' of the GB worlds team, despite that Cavendish was/is obviously the 'leader'.

Question 2: you can travel however you want as long as it's under your own steam and you have a (legal) bike with you.

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Postby afx237vi » Wed Jul 18, 2012 13:17 pm

1. Team leader is the best rider in the team, the one in the best position to win races. Team captain, or road captain, is generally an older rider with lots of experience, someone who makes on-the-road decisions about tactics (less important in the era of radios). Someone like David Millar is often described as a road captain.

2. You have to finish the race with your bike, but you don't have to be riding it. Often when there's a crash in the final kilometre, you see riders carrying their bike over the line (see here: http://youtu.be/5kV0t-qcxmw?t=1m30s). Also on extremely steep hills, like the Koppenberg in the Tour of Flanders, you see riders dismounting and running with their bike (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g00haedK7Bk).

(Or what Rick said).

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Postby Lichtblick » Wed Jul 18, 2012 13:34 pm

Thank you both.

So, is the Captain the boss, asitwere?

Have now watched the Utube clip: interesting. I thought you were going to say that they have to stay on the bike until within, say, 3km of the finish - because I've never seen or heard of anyone getting off and pushing at the TdF.

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Postby Jonny_Trousers » Wed Jul 18, 2012 14:53 pm

I've heard it said that there is no aerodynamic advantage to drafting on climbs. Is this true, and if so, why is it seen as harder to pace for your team than to ride within it?

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Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 18, 2012 15:07 pm

Jonny_Trousers wrote:I've heard it said that there is no aerodynamic advantage to drafting on climbs. Is this true, and if so, why is it seen as harder to pace for your team than to ride within it?


There is, it's just a lot smaller. They easily do 15-20km up some of these mountains.

The advantage is also psychological.

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Postby jae-so » Wed Jul 18, 2012 18:32 pm

Chris Froome is 2nd in the GC but not winning the White jersey competition, why?

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Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Jul 18, 2012 19:10 pm

Too old.

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Postby jae-so » Wed Jul 18, 2012 19:14 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:Too old.


I thought he wore it for a while, in this tour, must be confusing it with the polka dot jersey.

Right next question, the green jersey, are the points awarded for the short mile sprints depending on the time?

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Postby Alan A » Wed Jul 18, 2012 21:18 pm

Points are awarded at the internediate sprint points and end of designated stages dependant on riders order as they cross the line. Nothing to do with time taken.

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Postby steve1613 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 16:53 pm

Where do the riders and support staff stay during the tour? Do they have buses to sleep on? Do the teams have their own cooks for meals? How many support staff and vehicles are each team allowed to have on the tour?

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Postby Alan A » Thu Jul 19, 2012 17:12 pm

steve1613 wrote:Where do the riders and support staff stay during the tour? Do they have buses to sleep on? Do the teams have their own cooks for meals? How many support staff and vehicles are each team allowed to have on the tour?


They sleep in hotels local to the start / finish town. Sometimes they are luxurious, sometimes they are Campaniles or similar. Many riders use their own pillows and take their own mattresses. Often you get two or three teams using the same hotel.

Teams have their own cooks who take over the hotel kitchen or better still do what Saxo Bank do http://dailystews.wordpress.com/2012/06 ... ank-tdf12/

There is no limit to the number of staff or vehicles that each team has. Most team vehicles / staff use alternative routes (typically N routes or toll roads) other than the race route to get from start to finish or even the feed zone.

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Postby Ms Tree » Thu Jul 19, 2012 19:51 pm

Thanks for that Alan A. I like these sort of articles.
'Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers. A librarian can bring you back the right one.'
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Postby Lichtblick » Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:46 am

Time trial: you can't be time-cut in a time trial, surely?

(I suppose the answer's going to be yes, to prevent the exhausted rubbish-time-triallers from dawdling along on Saturday?)


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