2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby inkyfingers » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:59 am

Only one thing is certain at this point. Whatever route they pick we will still all moan that it's too easy/too hard/too many TT KMs/not enough TT miles/not as good as the Giro (delete as appropriate).

Can't wait.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby ddraver » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:03 pm

Oh damn right, but you know it's fun to belive....
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby inkyfingers » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:04 pm

ddraver wrote:Oh damn right, but you know it's fun to belive....


I wasn't actually being sarcastic, i really can't wait.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 pm

Won't be as dry as this year's Tour, that's for sure.

Barely any rain. Bit of mist maybe.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby inkyfingers » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:16 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:Won't be as dry as this year's Tour, that's for sure.

Barely any rain. Bit of mist maybe.


Had an idle thought whilst watching the final stage last night...when was the last time it rained on the final day in Paris? All my memories of the racing/podium ceremonies are in the sunshine.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:29 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:Bit of mist maybe.


More than a bit of mist where I was on the Saint Quentin stage!

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby knedlicky » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:49 pm

Sonny73 wrote:Yeh it's going to be a mountain fest I reckon. Hope so anyway: http://www.velopeloton.com/2013-tour-de-france-route/
100th Tour will definitely go to the Alpe you'd think.

When the TdF was in the Alps this year, the local paper was saying that in 2013 or 2014 a stage finish at the top of Col d’Iseran was on the cards.
Local towns believed to want a stage start or finish in 2013 were Courchevel, Tignes and Bourg-St-Maurice while the newpaper believed Gap, Annecy and Alpe d’Huez would almost certainly have stage finishes next year.

The paper said that currently over 200 towns throughout France have sent in applications to ASO for a stage start or finish, although not all for next year, e.g. in the Alps, St. Martin-de-Belleville for 2014 or 2015, Meribel for 2014.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Dave_1 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 13:43 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:Contador to smash the hell out of it then.



I think Bert might be scared into riding clean now which means less entertainment in the mountains. We know his clen came from his own contaminated blood he transfused , which shows two methods of doping and makes it totally feasible he had used up to 5 substances/methods to boost his performance. But if the others are scared into riding clean now by the decent testing regime nowadays, maybe Bert can still drop Froome as all will be equal.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Jez mon » Mon Jul 23, 2012 13:59 pm

inkyfingers wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Won't be as dry as this year's Tour, that's for sure.

Barely any rain. Bit of mist maybe.


Had an idle thought whilst watching the final stage last night...when was the last time it rained on the final day in Paris? All my memories of the racing/podium ceremonies are in the sunshine.


I think it would have been when Vino won the last stage (2005 maybe)

Not sure if it was heavy rain throughout the stage, but I think they neutralised the stage (and then IIRC reversed that decision when Vino gained enough seconds to move up one place in the GC)
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby dougzz » Mon Jul 23, 2012 14:00 pm

Dave_1 wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:Contador to smash the hell out of it then.

I think Bert might be scared into riding clean now which means less entertainment in the mountains. We know his clen came from his own contaminated blood he transfused , which shows two methods of doping and makes it totally feasible he had used up to 5 substances/methods to boost his performance. But if the others are scared into riding clean now by the decent testing regime nowadays, maybe Bert can still drop Froome as all will be equal.

But how do we know, if he lights it up he's doping, if he doesn't then look what he's really like. That's the trouble now, we're divided on how we see him.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:00 pm

The video with Qunit in. Sometime after 1.25 for his attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac7nWgsb ... r_embedded
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Pross » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:21 pm

So if next year's Tour has a load of mountain stages and MTFs but is s*it what will people blame? Plus, if Wiggo goes on to win again and Froome is team leader elsewhere presumably all the anti-Wiggo brigade from this year will just put it down to doping and froome leaving to go to a cleaner team?!

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:23 pm

Pross wrote:So if next year's Tour has a load of mountain stages and MTFs but is s*it what will people blame? Plus, if Wiggo goes on to win again and Froome is team leader elsewhere presumably all the anti-Wiggo brigade from this year will just put it down to doping and froome leaving to go to a cleaner team?!


Wiggins won't win the Tour again.

He's a better rider than Sastre, but this is the equivalent.

All the main rivals not there, route & team that suit.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby BigMat » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:29 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
Pross wrote:So if next year's Tour has a load of mountain stages and MTFs but is s*it what will people blame? Plus, if Wiggo goes on to win again and Froome is team leader elsewhere presumably all the anti-Wiggo brigade from this year will just put it down to doping and froome leaving to go to a cleaner team?!


Wiggins won't win the Tour again.

He's a better rider than Sastre, but this is the equivalent.

All the main rivals not there, route & team that suit.


I agree re route. He'll have the team next year though. The only real rivals missing were dopers weren't they? I'm not so confident they'll be ripping up the mountains next year. Overall, he'll probably struggle to repeat on a hillier parcours, but I think the Sastre comparison is a bit unfair as he was pretty dominant this year after one of the most dominant seasons by a rider in a long, long time.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:31 pm

Have you seen where Sastre would place if you remove the dopers. Its interesting.

All the rivals were there apart from Contador and Andy, and none of those rivals could leave him for dead in the mountains.

For me, it is more whether he has the motivation to continue training hard.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby ddraver » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:36 pm

frenchfighter wrote:For me, it is more whether he has the motivation to continue training hard.


This for me....

People will always whinge about the tour route, they always have done and they always will. You could cut Lichtblicks's thread from this year and paste it every year from now until kingdom come! This time next year we ll have edited out all of the standard riding along the valleys and just have the Sagans, the Voecklers, the Cavs, the Froomegates etc etc and we ll think it was great!
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby symo » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:41 pm

frenchfighter wrote:Have you seen where Sastre would place if you remove the dopers. Its interesting.

All the rivals were there apart from Contador and Andy, and none of those rivals could leave him for dead in the mountains.

For me, it is more whether he has the motivation to continue training hard.


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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:43 pm

symo wrote:Insert missing name :

Where Frank is; his brother .. ... . . . . is never too far away.


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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Rick Chasey » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:45 pm

I'll be honest I'd be surprised if Contador was any slower.


Andy, perhaps, but I think there's time for him to get it together and be #2 to Contador again.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:49 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:I'll be honest I'd be surprised if Contador was any slower.


Andy, perhaps, but I think there's time for him to get it together and be #2 to Contador again.


Right. If Contador rides he is taking them out. He will be faster next Tour.
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