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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby whojanicanackerov » Thu Aug 09, 2012 20:21 pm

MY 470 TSS ride was 100 miles that took 6hrs in the yorkshire national park where hills are hills and the sheep are nervous HAHA.
Last weekends club run was 85 miles TSS 367 yorkshire dales again but a softer run with less speed bumps pretty good avg speed though lol.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby whojanicanackerov » Thu Aug 09, 2012 20:28 pm

DW
I could try that out if I find the time.I`m sure I have read somewhere that TR virtual power is slightly over real power figures.
This should not be a problem because you are training against "what you were yesterday"
and not the figure of someone else who`s ride your looking at.consistency is all you need just make sure the tyre pressure is the same each ride and you`ve cracked it.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Thu Aug 09, 2012 20:53 pm

whojanicanackerov wrote:DW
I could try that out if I find the time.I`m sure I have read somewhere that TR virtual power is slightly over real power figures.
This should not be a problem because you are training against "what you were yesterday"
and not the figure of someone else who`s ride your looking at.consistency is all you need just make sure the tyre pressure is the same each ride and you`ve cracked it.


Are you still working on 170 ftp?
My tss score last week was nearly 600, and I genuinely needed 2 full rest days before feeling good again.
This week have clocked up 200 have a long road session planned tomorrw another inner ring ride to keep the intensity purposely low.
Following the one of the what I call 'tick over' plans off TR , the weekly average should be 330 or thereabouts.
It feels just right.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby dw300 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 21:00 pm

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/71958

No HRM yet but my average was 119 on my cateye :)



Trainer : Elite Volare Mag
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ANT+ HR Monitor : Garmin something, monitor is bundled with the Forerunner 405 but ANT+ still


Were you at the max you thought you could sustain for the 20mins? I know there are warmup and rest periods, so avg HR could be low, but I thought the avg would be higher than that. Mine was 131 and my HR only got to 165 during the 20 mins.
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NatePearson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 22:06 pm

dw300 wrote:I know you're all about training, but being able to upload ride data on the fly somehow, and have live races where you challenge your buddies could turn this into a PS3 beater! ;)


Working on it ;)

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NatePearson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 22:13 pm

dw300 wrote:I know TSS capacity is going to vary slightly from person to person depending how long they've been riding, physical factors, age etc. But I'm slightly unclear as to why the TSS scores per week for the training plans seem pretty low. I know that plenty of people will get into the 200, 300 or 400s for one ride regularly, so I'd assume the training plans would have had higher TSS. I guess it's because most sessions are in the 1-2 hour range and not a 6+ hour weekend ramble?


Try one of the advanced plans for a couple weeks and see if you can hang :). It's all about consistency and time close to threshold day in and day out. Some pros can ride big big days back to back to back, but for us mortals 7 hours a week on the trainer doing intervals will make you into a pretty fit mortal :).

dw300 wrote:Do you have any suggestions for training with a more powerful rider? My FTP is 172 .. i think that's reasonably accurate, but the guy I ride with mostly is around 230, he weighs about 30lbs more. I feel like I'm on the rivet just keeping up with him riding his sweetspot. I usually try and drag him into the hills as much as possible, even though his power to weight is still better, at least I can see him in the distance for longer!


It's all about raising your FTP. As Coggan/Hunter say, the number one predictor to who will win a race is their power to weight ratio. Thus you can either raise your FTP or lose weight. Maybe both! :).

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NatePearson » Thu Aug 09, 2012 22:21 pm

Here's a good post from training peaks about TSS scores in the Tour of California and Tour de France.

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/ ... rance.aspx

Hardest Stage Measured by Training Stress Score (TSS) Value
Lill- 361TSS, Stage 6: Big Bear Lake
Fuglsang- 431TSS, Stage 6: Big Bear Lake
Sorensen- 391TSS, Stage 7: Barcelone - Andorre Arcalis

Total Accumulated (Eight-Day) TSS Points
Lill- 2254 TSS total
Fuglsang- 2192 TSS
Chris Anker Sorenson- 2152 TSS

Anyone who's got an accurate FTP and is doing around 400 TSS is riding as hard or harder than the top guys in the Tour of California and Tour de France.

That's a BIG day.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby dw300 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 00:35 am

NatePearson wrote:
dw300 wrote:I know you're all about training, but being able to upload ride data on the fly somehow, and have live races where you challenge your buddies could turn this into a PS3 beater! ;)


Working on it ;)


Sweet .. I'll get started organising the BikeRadar TR Tour!
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby T.M.H.N.E.T » Fri Aug 10, 2012 03:37 am

dw300 wrote:
T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/71958

No HRM yet but my average was 119 on my cateye :)



Trainer : Elite Volare Mag
Receiver : Suunto Movestick Mini
Desktop pc : 4yr old self build. 2.4quad core - 4gb - 1gb video
ANT+ Speed Cadence Sensor : Wahoo Fitness speed/cadence ( this one can actually be lengthened to provide cadence on recumbent bikes lol)
ANT+ HR Monitor : Garmin something, monitor is bundled with the Forerunner 405 but ANT+ still


Were you at the max you thought you could sustain for the 20mins? I know there are warmup and rest periods, so avg HR could be low, but I thought the avg would be higher than that. Mine was 131 and my HR only got to 165 during the 20 mins.

I could have went harder tbh. I just checked, 162 max

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby whojanicanackerov » Fri Aug 10, 2012 06:56 am

whojanicanackerov wrote:MY 470 TSS ride was 100 miles that took 6hrs in the yorkshire national park where hills are hills and the sheep are nervous HAHA.
Last weekends club run was 85 miles TSS 367 yorkshire dales again but a softer run with less speed bumps pretty good avg speed though lol.


If these seem far to high maybe I should rest and retest?

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby danowat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 08:00 am

An FTP of 170w seems a bit on the low side to me........

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby whojanicanackerov » Fri Aug 10, 2012 08:09 am

Things have got mixed up danowat lol.i have never said my FTP is 170.
My FTP is more like 270 lol oh how confused am I now hehe.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby danowat » Fri Aug 10, 2012 08:20 am

You've increased your FTP by 100w? Impressive

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby T.M.H.N.E.T » Fri Aug 10, 2012 09:53 am

Dubcat wrote:Thanks - it is the tacx tyre and definitely rolls smooth. Now I need to decide whether I buy the GSC10 + Garmin ANT+ stick or buy an edge500 bundle. I already have a forerunner 210 - I REALLY wish I had just got the 910XT now. Oh well.


Wahoo Fitness speed/cad + Suunto movestick mini. Cheaper than garmins offerings unless you bundle it all up.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby whojanicanackerov » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:32 am

danowat wrote:You've increased your FTP by 100w? Impressive


Thanks and yes I have up`d my FTP by almost 100W It hasn`t been a fairy tale story it`s been hard blooming work but I want it!!! their are some very fit and very fast climbers in our club and I want to be up their next season!
More hard work is needed!!

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby T.M.H.N.E.T » Fri Aug 10, 2012 15:06 pm

TR doesn't seem to like the Garmin HRM when paired through the Movestick, it becomes extremely laggy and refuses to load workouts.

Ever came across this Nate? My phone (SE Xperia Neo) is ANT compatible out of the box and it pairs faultlessly in Endomondo and Mapmyride

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby RichA » Fri Aug 10, 2012 21:07 pm

I am a 'long time' TR user. Love it.

Been off the trainer for a few weeks due to the light evenings, better (?) weather and in my (post event) off season. But spent a lott of the winter/spring on my trainer and will be back soon...

Setup...
TR User : RichA
Trainer : Taxc Flow
Receiver : Garmin Stick
Laptop : Dell Inspiron 1525
Power / Cadence: Quarq
HR : Garmin

My favoured set up is the horizontal bar accross the bottom and an episode of Homeland or The Wire...

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NatePearson » Fri Aug 10, 2012 23:11 pm

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:TR doesn't seem to like the Garmin HRM when paired through the Movestick, it becomes extremely laggy and refuses to load workouts.

Ever came across this Nate? My phone (SE Xperia Neo) is ANT compatible out of the box and it pairs faultlessly in Endomondo and Mapmyride


Hey,

No I haven't. Can you e-mail us at support@trainerroad.com? We'll turn on some logging to see what's going on. The program that receives ANT data is super light weight, so it shouldn't be bogging down anything. I'm sure we can figure it out though.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby T.M.H.N.E.T » Sat Aug 11, 2012 06:53 am

NatePearson wrote:
T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:TR doesn't seem to like the Garmin HRM when paired through the Movestick, it becomes extremely laggy and refuses to load workouts.

Ever came across this Nate? My phone (SE Xperia Neo) is ANT compatible out of the box and it pairs faultlessly in Endomondo and Mapmyride


Hey,

No I haven't. Can you e-mail us at support@trainerroad.com? We'll turn on some logging to see what's going on. The program that receives ANT data is super light weight, so it shouldn't be bogging down anything. I'm sure we can figure it out though.

Will do :wink:

-suggestion-
Would it be possible to add an intensity field to the profile so that all workouts automatically default to 120% for example, but keep the on the fly adjustment during?

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby dw300 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:54 am

T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:
NatePearson wrote:
T.M.H.N.E.T wrote:TR doesn't seem to like the Garmin HRM when paired through the Movestick, it becomes extremely laggy and refuses to load workouts.

Ever came across this Nate? My phone (SE Xperia Neo) is ANT compatible out of the box and it pairs faultlessly in Endomondo and Mapmyride


Hey,

No I haven't. Can you e-mail us at support@trainerroad.com? We'll turn on some logging to see what's going on. The program that receives ANT data is super light weight, so it shouldn't be bogging down anything. I'm sure we can figure it out though.

Will do :wink:

-suggestion-
Would it be possible to add an intensity field to the profile so that all workouts automatically default to 120% for example, but keep the on the fly adjustment during?


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