Winter Tyre Combinations

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Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Tue Sep 25, 2012 14:56 pm

I have got a pair of MudX, pair of Kenda Nevgal and pair of Rocket Rons! What the best winter combo with these or should i start again? Bikes a Scott Scale 35 Hardtail, local use mainly on XC singletracks, bridleways etc

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby cooldad » Tue Sep 25, 2012 15:21 pm

Winter as in wet, muddy, snowy, frozen?
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Tue Sep 25, 2012 16:08 pm

you got it and it's here now

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby DCR00 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 16:18 pm

if you were going riding at all this week, i would prob use the MudX

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby ddraver » Tue Sep 25, 2012 16:47 pm

Proper mud, use the Mud X, Just general winter stuff, Maxxis High roller on the rear, ADvantage on the front.

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Tue Sep 25, 2012 19:31 pm

so far it's Mud X all round which are very good but there only 1.9 so feel a little skinny. What about combining with the Nevigel either front or rear? Surely it should be the skinny Mud X front and something a little bigger back as ddriver suggestes. Would the Nevegal work on the back?

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Mccraque » Wed Sep 26, 2012 09:45 am

I always run a mud x on the back of my bike in the winter and pretty much leave the front tyre as is (I run a Conti Rubber Queen all year round on the front - swapping between fast rolling Crossmark in summer and 2.0 Mud X in the winter.

I find I don't get as much air time in the winter as in the harder summer months so the volume is not quite so much of an issue as it would be running a less volumous tyre in summer.

I've got Rons on my race bike at the moment but if this rain keeps up they're off pretty soon....

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Northwind » Wed Sep 26, 2012 15:58 pm

Nevegals as standard clog like mad with sticky mud, but you can edit them slightly... Basically chop off every second transition knob, and what you get is a lot like a Maxxis Ardent with taller knobs. Works much better in mud.

I'll not have a Mud X on the front again, works really well til it doesn't, but it just refused to grip at all on some stuff- never had a tyre so bad on wet rock.
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby musclechat » Thu Sep 27, 2012 16:29 pm

yeah, i think so , use the Mud X, Just general winter stuff, Maxxis High roller on the rear, ADvantage on the front. Image :D

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Fri Sep 28, 2012 13:05 pm

Thanks for your imput so far...

went out for a good ride today with the kendas and they soon clogged up and wouldn't clear and it wasn't that muddy!

So i'll ditch the kendas for now and try a MudX on the rear and look for an ADvantage or Rubber Queen for the front and see how that goes

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby robertpb » Fri Sep 28, 2012 18:07 pm

MudX works very well on the back but on the front I use a Dirty Dan and if it's really bad a Trailraker.
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Fri Sep 28, 2012 18:48 pm

Can someone explain why the advice is a MudX (2.0 pretty skinny) on the rear and something bigger/fatter on the front when Motocrossers have just the opposite with a thin nobbly on the front and a big fat nobbly on the back?

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Northwind » Fri Sep 28, 2012 19:05 pm

Pushbikes aren't moto-x bikes. If you've can pedal out at least 40bhp then you might want a bigger rear tyre.
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby paul.skibum » Fri Sep 28, 2012 20:47 pm

skinny tire sinks into mud and finds the solid ground below better - fat tyre floats so spins uselessly in the soft cr*p - not sure about a fatter front for winter mud particularly - never been a big believer in the fat front, thin rear is king rule.
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby giantAstax » Sat Sep 29, 2012 07:49 am

I run Bonty XR Muds front and rear and they're great. Just debating when to fir them. Only took them off in July due to the wet weather :shock:

I'll see how I go later today.

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby blackhat » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:01 am

Ok Northwind i see the logic and no i can't pedal 40BHP but surely a fat front will plain around when you hit mud? In looking for an allround winter tyre combination whereever your going your gonna hit mud at some time so a skinnyish front would be better...

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Northwind » Sat Sep 29, 2012 16:01 pm

blackhat wrote:Ok Northwind i see the logic and no i can't pedal 40BHP but surely a fat front will plain around when you hit mud? In looking for an allround winter tyre combination whereever your going your gonna hit mud at some time so a skinnyish front would be better...


It Depends, is the short answer. Different approaches, and different sorts of mud. Like, you're spot on that a narrow tyre can cut mud better, and a big tyre might float over it. But some mud is deep enough that you'll cut and cut and end up with your hubs in it, where a fatter tyre might actually find some support. Other mud is dense enough that a fatter tyre can still find some push in it (thick organic forest floor mud frinstance, the claggy black stuff).

So you get different sorts of mud tyre... And you get the choice of whether or not to mud up at all, since it's still normally only a proportion of your riding. (if you live somewhere that all of your riding is best done with a mud-x or something, then... well, that's unfortunate!) So you get that compromise too- I'll not use a Mud-X on the front, frinstance, because it's great for a minority of my riding but pretty crap for the majority.

So it's mostly about finding something that suits your riding. This is why I recommend the Conti Baron so much- it'll never be totally inappropriate and it'll always be at least fairly good, so it's a sort of lowest common denominator.
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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby MDobs » Sun Sep 30, 2012 22:11 pm

I've just got a maxxis medusa 1.8 to try on the front as I was using panaracer cg soft condition 2.25s last year and wasn't that impressed as I thought they didn't clear that well. To go with it I'm going to run a 1.8 panaracer fire xc pro on the rear. I'll then mix and match a bit to see what works for me.

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Sleipnir's Master » Sun Sep 30, 2012 22:37 pm

blackhat wrote:I have got a pair of MudX, pair of Kenda Nevgal and pair of Rocket Rons! What the best winter combo with these or should i start again? Bikes a Scott Scale 35 Hardtail, local use mainly on XC singletracks, bridleways etc

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Re: Winter Tyre Combinations

Postby Tom Barton » Mon Oct 01, 2012 18:36 pm

The conti Baron = best alround tyre (with more of a nod towards the winter) going! I'm a convert! Still pretty quick (for a knobbly tyre) in black chilli version too!


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