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Re: JTL

Postby OCDuPalais » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:59 am

Interested to hear how he gets on with cobbles...

Now we've got the "untested over 220km" thing out of the way, as a long-shot, I'm thinking the 'bergs of Flanders...

It'll be like a Devon training ride for him, just not as hard...

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Re: JTL

Postby Dave_1 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:38 pm

On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?

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Re: JTL

Postby Mad_Malx » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:45 pm

MTBing, ill and then studying, I believe.

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Re: JTL

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:48 pm

Dave_1 wrote:On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?


to answer literally: at 22 he'd been diagnosed with Espstein-Barr virus and had packed in cycling to go to uni; at 24 he was back riding on the domestic season but the team folded mid-year.

If something dodgy comes to light, OK, but until then I'm giving benefit of the doubt

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Re: JTL

Postby Dave_1 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:49 pm

Mad_Malx wrote:MTBing, ill and then studying, I believe.



there's always illness when it comes to cyclists. I shouldn't have even asked

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Re: JTL

Postby Graeme_S » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:51 pm

2005
1st GP de Rocheville
3rd Des Boucles Catalanes
2008
1st Overall - Totnes - Vire Stage Race
1st Stage 3

Then he jacked in racing for a couple of years after his illness.

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Re: JTL

Postby OCDuPalais » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:55 pm

Dave_1 wrote:On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?


Why aren't you bothered about what he was doing when he was 23?
His story up to now is fairly well documented - he hasn't come "from nowhere".

Can you not allow yourself to be excited by the prospects for a rider without feeling a personal affront if it doesn't work out?

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Re: JTL

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:56 pm

Before he was diagnosed with the lurgy, he had a more-than-decent first pro season in 05 - according to trusty Wiki, podiums in all of his 10 races including 1 win.

I guess it all comes down to whether you take the guilty-until-proved-innocent line with every rider who bursts onto the big stage, or whether you're prepared to give the benefit of the doubt and hope that it doesnt end up being misplaced.

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Re: JTL

Postby symo » Thu Oct 04, 2012 15:43 pm

Do not start on one of MDCC's finest.
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Panama - finally putting a nail in the economic theory of the trickle down effect.

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Re: JTL

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Oct 04, 2012 15:45 pm

....and mostly importantly Symo vouches for him :)

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Re: JTL

Postby LangerDan » Thu Oct 04, 2012 15:47 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:

I guess it all comes down to whether you take the guilty-until-proved-innocent line with every rider who bursts onto the big stage, or whether you're prepared to give the benefit of the doubt and hope that it doesnt end up being misplaced.


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Re: JTL

Postby Dave_1 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 16:22 pm

OCDuPalais wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?


Why aren't you bothered about what he was doing when he was 23?
His story up to now is fairly well documented - he hasn't come "from nowhere".

Can you not allow yourself to be excited by the prospects for a rider without feeling a personal affront if it doesn't work out?

No.

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Re: JTL

Postby OCDuPalais » Thu Oct 04, 2012 16:40 pm

Dave_1 wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?


Why aren't you bothered about what he was doing when he was 23?
His story up to now is fairly well documented - he hasn't come "from nowhere".

Can you not allow yourself to be excited by the prospects for a rider without feeling a personal affront if it doesn't work out?

No.



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Re: JTL

Postby ILM Zero7 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:03 pm

great news he has signed for Sky - a future classics winner surely?
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Re: JTL

Postby Rick Chasey » Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:20 pm

OCDuPalais wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:On one level, I think it is a great someone can jump from nowhere to be at JTL's level BUT I've followed many success stories and am fatigued by these stories too as many of them end in disappointment for followers. Where was he at 22 , 24?


Why aren't you bothered about what he was doing when he was 23?
His story up to now is fairly well documented - he hasn't come "from nowhere".

Can you not allow yourself to be excited by the prospects for a rider without feeling a personal affront if it doesn't work out?

No.



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Outstanding gif.

10 chasey points for that.

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Re: JTL

Postby inkyfingers » Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:36 pm

Everybody else might as well just retire.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he gets on. His ride at the Worlds impressed me a lot actually, quite impressive to make it to the sharp end of that sort of race at your very first attempt.
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Re: JTL

Postby andyp » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:29 pm

I agree.

I think some of the hype on here earlier in the year was ridiculous, with some people claiming he'd win the Worlds, especially given that most of his wins this year have come against second class opposition or at a time when the big names of the sport are not in form. But his performance at the Worlds was impressive and I look forward to seeing how he fares next year, especially in the Ardennes, which would seem to suit him best.

I still think he's carrying a bit of excess weight, but I'm sure Sky will address that.

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Re: JTL

Postby DeadCalm » Mon Oct 29, 2012 13:52 pm

Millar is a fan:

David Millar ‏@millarmind
I think @J_T_Locke may be my favourite new cyclist, proper character, old school. The way cyclists should be.

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Re: JTL

Postby OCDuPalais » Tue Oct 30, 2012 02:42 am

DeadCalm wrote:Millar is a fan:

David Millar ‏@millarmind
I think @J_T_Locke may be my favourite new cyclist, proper character, old school. The way cyclists should be.



I'm taking that at face value.

Any spoilers who come in with a cheap comment that in any way refers to "old school" and/or "The way cyclists should be" with a derogatory side-swipe at dopers, potential dopers, Sky riders, soon-to-be Sky riders, the olden days, Tom Simpson, Jacques Anquetil, Jimmy Saville, etc, can fuKc off.

In my mind, what spurred Millar to that remark was the sight of JTL smacking Miss Paignton 1978 on her bikinied bottom whilst stubbing his B&H out on the hapless Stannard's (Bernie Bresslaw's) lunch box. Then, with a Sid James cackle, he sets off on a 140 mile ride around Dartmoor...


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Ian's not sure what to think...

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Re: JTL

Postby DeadCalm » Tue Oct 30, 2012 08:23 am

[quote="OCDuPalais"][quote="DeadCalm"]Millar is a fan:
In my mind, what spurred Millar to that remark was the sight of JTL smacking Miss Paignton 1978 on her bikinied bottom whilst stubbing his B&H out on the hapless Stannard's (Bernie Bresslaw's) lunch box. Then, with a Sid James cackle, he sets off on a 140 mile ride around Dartmoor...
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I never thought he meant anything else...


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