Strong comments from F Moser

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby thegibdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:49 pm

andrewjoseph wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

Only if you like champions that cheat.

Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
frenchfighter wrote:When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.

Sad really.

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby Art Vandelay » Thu Oct 04, 2012 18:52 pm

Dave_1

I know nothing of David Ackman - enlighten me. Also, what's the issue with his 84 MSR win? From what I've seen and read, he struggled on the earlier climbs, rode a clever race and out-Kellyed Kelly on the final descent in San Remo. Is there some Dick Dastardly back story?

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:02 pm

thegibdog wrote:
andrewjoseph wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.

Only if you like champions that cheat.

Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
frenchfighter wrote:When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.

Sad really.


Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby thegibdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:30 pm

frenchfighter wrote:Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.

Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:35 pm

Not sure what you are trying to say and don't fancy going into it.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby RichN95 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:35 pm

thegibdog wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.

Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??

To be fair, it wasn't banned at the time - so not actually cheating.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby thegibdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 19:50 pm

RichN95 wrote:
thegibdog wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.

Are you sure of that given that he admitted doping to break the hour record earlier that year??

To be fair, it wasn't banned at the time - so not actually cheating.

Yeah, it's amusing that, of all the rules that were bent/broken, blood doping wasn't really one of them!

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby No tA Doctor » Thu Oct 04, 2012 21:08 pm

Ex pros always sound like they're auditioning for a cycling themed remake of the Four Yorkshiremen.

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby dsoutar » Fri Oct 05, 2012 06:21 am

LeicesterLad wrote:
LangerDan wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:Fair enough, but I am sure he hardly cheated to achieve all his other palmares:

Grand Tours
Tour de France
2 stages (1975)
Giro d'Italia
General Classification (1984)
Points Classification (1976, 1977, 1978, 1982)
23 stages
Stage Races
Volta a Catalunya
General classification (1978)
Tirreno-Adriatico
General classification (1980, 1981)
Single-Day Races and Classics
Road Race World Championships (1977)
Italian National Road Race Championship (1975, 1979, 1981)
Milan – San Remo (1984)
Paris-Tours (1974)
Paris–Roubaix (1978, 1979, 1980)
Gent–Wevelgem (1979)
Giro di Lombardia (1975, 1978)
La Flèche Wallonne (1977)
Züri-Metzgete (1977)


Find out who Davd Ackman was. And then check what he said. Ackam referred to ""Moser Muesli". Francesco is worthy of a book. He should be quiet in future


TBH, he wasn't really any grubbier than your avatar, Dave


This. The old heads on here idolise their cheating hero's just as much as Frenchie does his.


I certainly don't. As someone said above - Moser should shut his 'kin gob.

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby andrewjoseph » Fri Oct 05, 2012 06:38 am

frenchfighter wrote:
thegibdog wrote:
andrewjoseph wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:FYI, Contador has won 7 Grand Tours, only Anquetil, Hinault, Merckx, Gimondi and Indurain above him. He still only 29 and is riding an era where the talent pool has never been stronger and fairer.

So yeah, certified great, true champion, super heavyweight.


Only if you like champions that cheat.

Looking good on a bike is not the main criteria for being a champion.

I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't consider doping cheating.
frenchfighter wrote:When I say cheat, I don't mean doping.

Sad really.


Obv doping is cheating. My comment above was an explanation of my comment before that - Moser didn't cheat from doping to win that Giro.


and my comment was re: you consider contador a true champion.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby ddraver » Fri Oct 05, 2012 07:26 am

Moser has done as much as a pre-NYT Vaughters has done to admit he was EPO'd up to the eyeballs. OK so he hasnt formally admitted it, but you'd have to be blind not to be able to read between the lines
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby RichN95 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 07:40 am

ddraver wrote:Moser has done as much as a pre-NYT Vaughters has done to admit he was EPO'd up to the eyeballs. OK so he hasnt formally admitted it, but you'd have to be blind not to be able to read between the lines

He retired in early 1987. He won't have used EPO.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby andyp » Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:13 am

He came back to go for the hour record again in 1994, and almost certainly did use EPO then (given he was coached by Conconi and possibly Ferrari for it).

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby frenchfighter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:26 am

And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby disgruntledgoat » Fri Oct 05, 2012 09:59 am

frenchfighter wrote:And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.



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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby RichN95 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:26 am

andyp wrote:He came back to go for the hour record again in 1994, and almost certainly did use EPO then (given he was coached by Conconi and possibly Ferrari for it).

That was just a mid life crisis though, not his actual career.

(As an aside, I wonder if Armstrong might consider some super juiced up unofficial hour attempt?)
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby bockers » Fri Oct 05, 2012 14:00 pm

frenchfighter wrote:And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.

So you defend someone who cheated, lies and is unrepentant and then try and smear someone who has not cheated or, as far as i know, been suspected of cheating.

Nice ethics you have sir!

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby Pross » Fri Oct 05, 2012 14:21 pm

bockers wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:And still didn't get the record. Which is held by Boardman. Pretty incredible that he beat all those EPO sozzled riders.

Maybe the superman is more performance enhancing then epo.

So you defend someone who cheated, lies and is unrepentant and then try and smear someone who has not cheated or, as far as i know, been suspected of cheating.

Nice ethics you have sir!


To be fair I think all he was suggesting was that the superman position offered more of an advantage than EPO did. It seems pretty flawed though as Moser had been retired for a while and was knocking on a bit at the time whilst Boardman was in his prime and in his element. Moser could have been doped and using the superman position and wouldn't have beaten Boardman's distance at that part of his career.

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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby frenchfighter » Fri Oct 05, 2012 14:26 pm

That and that genuinely it is pretty amazing that he set that record, as far as I know squeaky clean, beating fueled riders.
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Re: Strong comments from F Moser

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Oct 05, 2012 15:14 pm

frenchfighter wrote:That and that genuinely it is pretty amazing that he set that record, as far as I know squeaky clean, beating fueled riders.



Have huge respect for Boardman. I never get over the irony of his career being curtailed by his osteoporosis and the UCI not allowing him exemption from the ban on testosterone as part of his treatment...


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